RMweb Gold RFS Posted July 30, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 30, 2015 Here's a picture of one on a Newhaven boat train in 1961 - http://railphotoprints.zenfolio.com/p287659169/h4168a3f8#h4168a3f8 And another on a Charing Cross to Margate service, also in 1961 - http://railphotoprints.zenfolio.com/p287659169/h56509826#h56509826 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andrew F Posted July 30, 2015 Share Posted July 30, 2015 They sit pretty tall don't they? Quite a bit higher than the coaching stock. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Storey Posted July 31, 2015 Share Posted July 31, 2015 They sit pretty tall don't they? Quite a bit higher than the coaching stock. That's only so the bogies can go round 2nd radius curves, isn't it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Scott Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Just wondering if there is any news? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJM Dave Posted August 27, 2015 Author Share Posted August 27, 2015 Just wondering if there is any news? Come and see the models at the upcoming Fareham show, my DJM stand is next to Kernows. Cheers Dave ( back from 11 1/2 hours each way trip and now in Scotland on business) 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Scott Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Come and see the models at the upcoming Fareham show, my DJM stand is next to Kernows. Cheers Dave ( back from 11 1/2 hours each way trip and now in Scotland on business) Thanks Dave. Fareham a bit of a treck from the midlands, will consider Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gwiwer Posted August 27, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 27, 2015 Thanks Dave. Fareham a bit of a treck from the midlands, will consider Change at Reading Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJM Dave Posted August 27, 2015 Author Share Posted August 27, 2015 Thanks Dave. Fareham a bit of a treck from the midlands, will consider Hi Dave, I fully understand, but rest assured the week after the show I'll plaster images of the model all over my web site and here, plus send slightly different images to magazines too. I'll also, I hope, be announcing 2 bits of interest to southern modellers that week too. Cheers Dave 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Scott Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 Change at Reading Leamington and Southampton actually Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 That'll be the COR and SUB then........................... or those blue TRANSFESA vans ? 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
olivegreen Posted August 27, 2015 Share Posted August 27, 2015 If only !! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Budgie Posted August 27, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 27, 2015 That'll be the COR and SUB then........................... I'll have a few of those. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DY444 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 (edited) Here's a picture of one on a Newhaven boat train in 1961 - http://railphotoprints.zenfolio.com/p287659169/h4168a3f8#h4168a3f8 And another on a Charing Cross to Margate service, also in 1961 - http://railphotoprints.zenfolio.com/p287659169/h56509826#h56509826 I've got a picture somewhere of a 71 on a test train at Waterloo, I've also seen a picture of one at Streatham. When the 74s were first delivered a lot of test runs took place on the SED as the testing was based at Stewarts Lane. Edit. Just remembered they had turns into Clapham Yard at some point too. Edited August 30, 2015 by DY444 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Hi Dave, I fully understand, but rest assured the week after the show I'll plaster images of the model all over my web site and here, plus send slightly different images to magazines too. I'll also, I hope, be announcing 2 bits of interest to southern modellers that week too. Cheers Dave With any luck the class 74 and the class 70. Not those dreadful things Bachmann do but proper Bullied class 70s. The only annoying thing is that if DJM do them, there will be lots of minor differences between each class member and I will have to buy a few of them ;-)) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Is no-one wondering what Dave is doing on 'business' up in Scotland. What's up his sleeve? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 Is no-one wondering what Dave is doing on 'business' up in Scotland. What's up his sleeve? Well ... not the aforementioned classes 74 or 70. Not in Sunny Scotland! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gardenwall Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 Is no-one wondering what Dave is doing on 'business' up in Scotland. What's up his sleeve? It may be worth noting that 'business' covers far more than investigating prototypes - finance, premses, distributors, retailers and commissions for a start. However since 'hope springs etc' I imagine those interested in things north of the border will not be able to help wondering. May be more approriate in the wish list thread though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RFS Posted September 1, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 1, 2015 I've got a picture somewhere of a 71 on a test train at Waterloo, I've also seen a picture of one at Streatham. When the 74s were first delivered a lot of test runs took place on the SED as the testing was based at Stewarts Lane. Edit. Just remembered they had turns into Clapham Yard at some point too. A gallery of class 74 pictures here - http://railphotoprints.zenfolio.com/p33123299 And class 71 here - http://railphotoprints.zenfolio.com/p287659169 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted September 1, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 1, 2015 Here's a picture of one on a Newhaven boat train in 1961 - http://railphotoprints.zenfolio.com/p287659169/h4168a3f8#h4168a3f8 And another on a Charing Cross to Margate service, also in 1961 - http://railphotoprints.zenfolio.com/p287659169/h56509826#h56509826 Thanks for those two. I was sure I'd seen E5000s on the Newhaven Boat in that era, but thought I must be remembering wrong. The headcode 4 at Broadstairs is intriguing. Why a loco-hauled train when there were already oodles of CEPs about, I wonder? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RFS Posted September 1, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 1, 2015 (edited) Thanks for those two. I was sure I'd seen E5000s on the Newhaven Boat in that era, but thought I must be remembering wrong. The headcode 4 at Broadstairs is intriguing. Why a loco-hauled train when there were already oodles of CEPs about, I wonder? My thought too. I just wonder whether the date of summer 1961 is wrong, as E5000 looks in almost-new state for a loco that is purportedly nearly 3 years old. Perhaps it's early 1959 and the loco is on a test or proving run, perhaps before the full complement of CEPs had been delivered. Hard to tell but those coaches look like BR MK1s in crimson and cream. Robert Carroll also has a lot of photos here - https://www.flickr.com/photos/robertcwp/albums/72157603648772112 . 71s followed by 73s and then 74s. Edited September 1, 2015 by RFS Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted September 1, 2015 Share Posted September 1, 2015 ... Robert Carroll also has a lot of photos here - https://www.flickr.com/photos/robertcwp/albums/72157603648772112 . 71s followed by 73s and then 74s. ...including an astonishingly well-timed Golden Arrow passing a Night Ferry! Here: https://www.flickr.com/photos/robertcwp/5520128940/in/album-72157603648772112/ 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted September 1, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 1, 2015 My thought too. I just wonder whether the date of summer 1961 is wrong, as E5000 looks in almost-new state for a loco that is purportedly nearly 3 years old. Perhaps it's early 1959 and the loco is on a test or proving run, perhaps before the full complement of CEPs had been delivered. Hard to tell but those coaches look like BR MK1s in crimson and cream. Robert Carroll also has a lot of photos here - https://www.flickr.com/photos/robertcwp/albums/72157603648772112 . 71s followed by 73s and then 74s. But while 4 was the CX-Ramsgate/Margate headcode, that only worked once the juice rail was in and working! In 1961 the Phase 2 works went live - I recall being at Tonbridge that year watching test trains/crew trips while Bulleids were busy with passenger services - so it can't have been much earlier. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RFS Posted September 1, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 1, 2015 I've been reading through my copy of G T Moody's "Southern Electric 1909-1979". There he mentions that from June 12 1961, as part of phase 2, electric trains took over services running under the existing steam schedules, but also says "Some of the ordinary trains, however, consisted temporarily of steam stock hauled by an electric locomotive". He doesn't elucidate why, though. The full, accelerated electric service came into force a year later in June 1962. So presumably this is one of these trains, although the lines to Margate and Ramsgate were electrified under phase 1 in June 1959. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted September 2, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 2, 2015 I've been reading through my copy of G T Moody's "Southern Electric 1909-1979". There he mentions that from June 12 1961, as part of phase 2, electric trains took over services running under the existing steam schedules, but also says "Some of the ordinary trains, however, consisted temporarily of steam stock hauled by an electric locomotive". He doesn't elucidate why, though. The full, accelerated electric service came into force a year later in June 1962. So presumably this is one of these trains, although the lines to Margate and Ramsgate were electrified under phase 1 in June 1959. Well found! Since the imperative objective at the time was to eliminate steam and its depot infrastructure, it is also just possible that the train had been steam-worked as far as Ramsgate and the EL added there. That would fit with an earlier timeframe, as already suggested. Whatever, I think the SED was the first BR Division to eliminate steam entirely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Dread Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 It's 1959 and I'm on a visit to Doncaster works. There are Class 71's in build down one side of the erecting shop and A/C electric locos down the other. Could I tell you what the numbers of these locos where? Hell no, not a chance! Although I have said in the past I have one of Charlie's best kit built 71's, I declare I will have another, one of Dave's, if the price is right. Ever hopeful! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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