gardenwall Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Peeps may be interested to note that issue 215 of Modern Locomotives Illustrated is to cover DC Electric locos. That will be in a couple of months, just about the time the model producers are on the final stages, too late for any significant adjustments but good for us to help sort out which, where, when and odd detail variations when to models do eventually arrive and whet the appetite in the meantime. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted July 22, 2015 Share Posted July 22, 2015 Think I might have to get one version from each.............................. Now about them blue Transfesa vans ................................. ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJM Dave Posted July 23, 2015 Author Share Posted July 23, 2015 Question please. What will the maximum reach of the pantograph be from rail level? Just fixing my overhead section and need to know. Thanks Hi mate, the measurement from rail to panto head when extended is 66mm HTH cheers Dave 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gwiwer Posted July 24, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 24, 2015 I see the opposition has been announced in some places retailing at around £25 more than DJModels and is expected in May 2016. A case of paying your money and taking your choice. I suspect I know which will be the more popular and better model and probably the first to arrive. Not only that but they are already paid for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dogmatix Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 But who is going to be the first to announce a Cl. 74? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 But who is going to be the first to announce a Cl. 74? The one who makes money on the 71 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyman7 Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 I see the opposition has been announced in some places retailing at around £25 more than DJModels and is expected in May 2016. A case of paying your money and taking your choice. I suspect I know which will be the more popular and better model and probably the first to arrive. Not only that but they are already paid for. I suspect in terms of 'popular', the red box one will be available in places the DJ model isn't, but I'm glad the DJ one has a price advantage as it should help things along where the DJ version is stocked/known about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 (edited) I must admit, I am surprised at the price of the Hornby one. Remember Dave, I am ready to place an order for a second one, once you let us know the detail differences between your locos ;-)) (And if you tempt us too much.....). Edited July 24, 2015 by JSpencer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigherb Posted July 24, 2015 Share Posted July 24, 2015 I must admit, I am surprised at the price of the Hornby one. I'm not, considering it is a 2016 price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
51E Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 (edited) Hi mate, the measurement from rail to panto head when extended is 66mm HTH cheers Dave Thought your Panto was fixed and non movable? Or has that changed? Edited July 25, 2015 by 51E Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJM Dave Posted July 25, 2015 Author Share Posted July 25, 2015 Thought your Panto was fixed and non movable? Or has that changed? It's fully poseable Cheers Dave 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
51E Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 It's fully poseable Cheers Dave Is it still just a plastic one? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Harvey Posted July 25, 2015 Share Posted July 25, 2015 I see the opposition has been announced in some places retailing at around £25 more than DJModels and is expected in May 2016. A case of paying your money and taking your choice. I suspect I know which will be the more popular and better model and probably the first to arrive. Not only that but they are already paid for. Regardless of the opposition announcement I think the real question is do you want something that will be a credible accurate, well presented, well running & finished Model or a mass produced over priced toy as some of the resent releases have been. Quality dose not mean that something has to cost more than the alternative. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Vistisen Posted July 25, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 25, 2015 Regardless of the opposition announcement I think the real question is do you want something that will be a credible accurate, well presented, well running & finished Model or a mass produced over priced toy as some of the resent releases have been. Quality dose not mean that something has to cost more than the alternative. Written by some one who has seen neither model, very impartial! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Re6/6 Posted July 26, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 26, 2015 Well, the Balcombe project will have saved £50! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJM Dave Posted July 26, 2015 Author Share Posted July 26, 2015 Is it still just a plastic one? Yes it is. It's the only way to get ALL the detail that is necessary, and both I and the Chinese engineers designed a metal one but it didn't give ( no matter what we tried) the fidelity I wanted in the panto area, both well and the panto itself. Cheers Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold griffgriff Posted July 26, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 26, 2015 Written by some one who has seen neither model, very impartial! TBF Pete didn't ascribe which was which Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
olivegreen Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 (edited) Technical question from a position of honest ignorance (and quite likely in the wrong place - if so, apologies): were the 71s pure 'pulling' locomotives, or could they work in multiple with contemporary Kent Coast stock (CEP/BEP/MLV)? I see from photos that there is at least one power jumper on the end (albeit low level) so just wondered... Edited July 26, 2015 by olivegreen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gwiwer Posted July 26, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 26, 2015 Perfectly reasonable question to which the answer so far as I am aware is that the 71s were "haulage only" and were not equipped for push-pull operation. Those which were later converted to class 74 gained that equipment upon conversion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 (edited) Hi Olivegreen. The 71s were not equipped for multiple operation with EMUs. The jumper you are looking at may have been the electric train heating jumper.However, when some of the 71s were converted to class 74 electro-diesels, they also gained the jumpers for working with EMUs (and TCs), thus they could work in push-pull mode under the control of a remote cab. Edit: It looks like Rick and I were both typing out the same answers at the same time!! Edited July 26, 2015 by SRman Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Re6/6 Posted July 26, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 26, 2015 There is this for those of us who will want a working pan. http://www.ukmodelshops.co.uk/catalogue/judithedge(#15 down) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted July 26, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 26, 2015 Technical question from a position of honest ignorance (and quite likely in the wrong place - if so, apologies): were the 71s pure 'pulling' locomotives, or could they work in multiple with contemporary Kent Coast stock (CEP/BEP/MLV)? I see from photos that there is at least one power jumper on the end (albeit low level) so just wondered... I can't be absolutely precise, but suspect that the power rating of the 71 meant it could not work with much else. A conductor rail index was used to ensure the power supply system was not overloaded, and a max rating of 16 per train was imposed. For example, I think the 4-REP had an index of 14, so could only couple to a 2-HAP. And when the 71s were new, that degree of inter-operability had not been envisaged. Their role was freight on the South Eastern Division, with limited use on passenger trains, e.g. The Night Ferry and the Arrow. EMUs were the designated passenger medium. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJM Dave Posted July 26, 2015 Author Share Posted July 26, 2015 There is this for those of us who will want a working pan. http://www.ukmodelshops.co.uk/catalogue/judithedge(#15 down) Now that's lovely, truly a work of art. I don't think it will fit into panto well when down though as the well looks too short in length. A lovely kit as a starter for someone who wants to accurately model the panto. I might get one just to play with. Cheers Dave 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gwiwer Posted July 26, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 26, 2015 Ian would be on the right track with reference to the CRI. A 4Rep boasted 3200 horses and was rated CRI 14 meaning it could not work in multiple with anything else if all the traction motors were cut in, other than a humble 2Hap or 2EPB. They did occasionally work with other powered units but had to have a number of traction motors cut out to avoid overloading the circuit breakers. A class 71 enjoyed 2552 horses and would have been rated CRI 10 I believe. Two could not therefore work in multiple (or tandem, as both would still be drawing current) nor could they haul electric stock if that also had its traction motors cut in with a few modest exceptions. Most routes were rated CRI 16 as Ian states. A typical 12-car EMU formation pulled CRI 12 so there was a little leeway. The official Boat Train Routes (BTR 1 and 2) were current-boosted to CRI 18 as I recall in order to ensure heavy loads could be re-started at awkward spots is required. Anyone who saw a 71 pulling away from a stop will know they were pretty darn quick but that came at the cost of high current draw. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted July 26, 2015 Share Posted July 26, 2015 Anyone who saw a 71 pulling away from a stop will know they were pretty darn quick but that came at the cost of high current draw. Yes - in the days where such things were "permitted" I was lucky enough to get a light engine cab ride from Gillingham - Dover Priory (courtesy of a school friends' dad). The acceleration was incredible and when running at speed unlike a 73 the loco wouldn't try to pitch you through the cab roof at every track anomaly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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