RMweb Gold 57xx Posted February 4, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 4, 2016 Question for the experts I have a rake of four old triang clerestory coaches, it had always been my intention to replace them when a suitable rake of coaches became available. My layout and wallet can take 4 of the bow ended coaches, but which would be the best one's to get to make up a representative rake? As well as the other responses regarding M sets, you could always consider mixing up the coaches in the rake. I've only ordered 1 brake, handed so I can then use one of my Bachmann Collett brakes or Hornby clerestory brake in the rake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisf Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 I think for further RTR releases of GWR coaching stock, we are going to have to look back to Hornby for some non-corridors The D98 brake thirds and E131 composites had similar underframes to the corridor coaches and were initially formed into 4 coach sets. In the Birmingham division, where most of them were sent when new, they were known as B sets, which caused no end of confusion! Some went to Chester and some to London. Over time the sets were broken up and dispersed. At least a few ended up in South Wales. Most of them were still around in the mid 1950s. Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozexpatriate Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 (edited) ... at what price would Bachmann release retooled Sunshine stock? I'd wager at least £60 a throw by the time they ever got around to doing them. At the rate the Thompsons are going I feel that they are going to finally retail at above £50. ... I think for further RTR releases of GWR coaching stock, we are going to have to look back to Hornby for some non-corridors ... and perhaps even to Oxford Rail for additional GWR corridor coaches. In fact, I seriously see toplights as Oxford Rail territory: they always score highly in the polls, they would complement the Dean Goods, and as Oxford's manufacturing set-up is much more 'responsive', I would think the tooling needed to produce both modified and unmodified toplights would be an easier job for Oxford then the other RTR boys. One would expect that Bachmann have to deliver on the SECR birdcage, 57' LMS and the Thomson stock before they do any new coaches. As you suggest, Oxford Rail is the wildcard here. While I'm not saying that I think they will, they could well be the company to really move things forward. I don't see smaller companies stretching into a variety of coaches, though I am looking forward to the LSWR gate stock from Kernow/DJM. Hornby has always done reasonably well with coaches. The Maunsell, Hawksworth and the Collett bow-ended stock have all been very well received and many of us here are anticipating the rebuilt LSWR stock. Doubtless Hornby will do more coaches too, and at this rate faster than Bachmann might. Edited February 4, 2016 by Ozexpatriate 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozexpatriate Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 While producing re-issues of other stock in volume, Bachmann have evidently deprecated production of coaching stock. It took years for the re-issued Collett sunshine stock to appear. These were announced (in a Hawksworth livery) back when the Dukedog was announced. There is a collective groan with each quarterly update that the birdcage stock is still in the drawing office (though I credit Bachmann with their forthright communications in so doing.) I don't understand why this is, but I presume there is a logical reason for it all. In the meantime Hornby is the clear leader in coach production right now and it might be a good time for Oxford Rail to step up and be seen as a legitimate full-range supplier - assuming they have the funding and don't overstretch themselves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ozexpatriate Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 I'll try to remember to look. They're not handy to me at the moment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted February 4, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 4, 2016 I can confirm they are! My two Brakes have now arrived. (They are definitely top of the class in RTR). Thank you for you prompt service. Cheers Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrock Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 Totally agree with you Rob, but at what price would Bachmann release retooled Sunshine stock? I'd wager at least £60 a throw by the time they ever got around to doing them. At the rate the Thompsons are going I feel that they are going to finally retail at above £50. As Clearwater states above, for specialist coaches for which you need only a couple like an Autocoach or dining cars, you could stomach 60 notes, but not for general service corridor coaches of which you would need half a dozen for representative coverage. I think for further RTR releases of GWR coaching stock, we are going to have to look back to Hornby for some non-corridors (once the rebuilt LSWR stock comes out, they will have non-corridor stock for 3 of the big 4), and perhaps even to Oxford Rail for additional GWR corridor coaches. In fact, I seriously see toplights as Oxford Rail territory: they always score highly in the polls, they would complement the Dean Goods, and as Oxford's manufacturing set-up is much more 'responsive', I would think the tooling needed to produce both modified and unmodified toplights would be an easier job for Oxford then the other RTR boys. You can also knock out toplights in about 7 or 8 different liveries over a number of years - which again fits Oxford's production philosophy with its die-cast vehicles. Time will tell.... now, where are my D95's?! CoY I think retooled Collett sunshine stock would be very welcome. I have been looking through various books focusing on the Cambrian coast in BR days, and sunshine stock seems to be quite common within mixed rakes in the late 50's / early 60's. Only last week I noticed an interesting picture at Machynlleth of one portion of the Cambrian Coast Express (3x mk1s in chocolate and cream) strengthened with two sunshine coaches in Crimson and cream. They would certainly help us to create those realistic mixed rakes that were prevalent on the WR, with all stock at the same standard / close coupled. My sunshine coaches are going to look a bit out of place next to these Colletts and the Hawksworths! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Derails Models Posted February 4, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 4, 2016 My two Brakes have now arrived. (They are definitely top of the class in RTR). Thank you for you prompt service. Cheers Keith Good to hear they've arrived, and thanks for the kind comments, much appreciated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Great Bear Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 There might even have been coaches that didn't have the brown line applied under the gutter after the war. Think that will be my approach and limits risk of me messing up a fine model; who knows when/if they'll release other liveries? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lofty1966 Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 I think you can make a good guess on product popularity by the number of pages in a thread and how quickly it grows. From a quick check, this is by far the longest Hornby carriage thread which augurs well for them. Given that most people will only buy one or two autocoaches David Oh dear. At the last count I have 11 auto trailers. Do I need help ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clearwater Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 (edited) Oh dear. At the last count I have 11 auto trailers. Do I need help ? Wow! Impressive. I did say *most*... I suspect with 11(!) you're in a smallminority. Folks own fewer A4s! Edited February 5, 2016 by Clearwater Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium St Enodoc Posted February 5, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 5, 2016 Have the re-issued Bachmann Sunshine coaches got flush windows now? Unfortunately not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adams442T Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Just received an email from Kernow stating that 5131 & 5132 Collett Bow Ended Coaches are in stock at £39.99 each! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisf Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 For those who are still anxious about forming their new Collett bow-enders in matching sets I have found something via the Great Western Study Group which may help. There were two distinct batches which were intended to be formed into sets and who knows, perhaps they were for a while. 1920s COLLETT BOW ENDED CORRIDOR STOCK.docx All will be revealed if you click on the above. I'm guessing that the left and right handers were all in there. Note that the first batch had the three compartment van thirds. HTH Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovex Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 For those who are still anxious about forming their new Collett bow-enders in matching sets I have found something via the Great Western Study Group which may help. There were two distinct batches which were intended to be formed into sets and who knows, perhaps they were for a while. 1920s COLLETT BOW ENDED CORRIDOR STOCK.docx All will be revealed if you click on the above. I'm guessing that the left and right handers were all in there. Note that the first batch had the three compartment van thirds. HTH Chris Sorry, I'm going to need some help deciphering this? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisf Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Sorry, I'm going to need some help deciphering this? What isn't clear? Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovex Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Well i may be being a bit thick. But what I can see is a list of coach types and numbers but not how these were made into sets or whether those were three coach sets or longer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted February 5, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 5, 2016 Just received an email from Kernow stating that 5131 & 5132 Collett Bow Ended Coaches are in stock at £39.99 each! And for those heading that way they will have some at the Alton show tomorrow so my spy in Camborne has just informed me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BMS Posted February 5, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 5, 2016 Left and right hand Collet 57' brakes received - I'm not an expert but they look good. Roofboards and corridor end plates supplied; I shall have to find lighted lamps to get on the "tail lamp clips" Regards Basil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisf Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Well i may be being a bit thick. But what I can see is a list of coach types and numbers but not how these were made into sets or whether those were three coach sets or longer. Fair comment. I neglected to cross-refer my table with information in Michael Harris's invaluable book. It was copied from an article in Railway World and would have made more sense with the rest of the article. This is easily put right. The set for which those coaches were intended comprised six coaches - van third, third, composite, composite, third, van third. Knowing my luck, someone will come along to contradict this assertion. These sets would have been the reason why there were handed coaches so that the corridors were all on one side. How long the sets stayed together is a Good Question and if we do not know which coaches were left and right handed I do not rate our chances of finding out when the sets were disbanded. In those happy days some coaches were set aside for use in excursions. Lots 1411 and 1412 were such and comprised thirds 5181 to 5230 and van thirds 5231 to 5242. There were enough of these to make six sets of 10 coaches [8 thirds, 2 van thirds] with a couple of spares. They may well have had restaurant cars inserted on occasion. HTH Chris Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rovex Posted February 5, 2016 Share Posted February 5, 2016 Thanks Chris. Makes more sense to me now. And thanks again for taking the time to explain Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Godfrey Glyn Posted February 5, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 5, 2016 And for those heading that way they will have some at the Alton show tomorrow so my spy in Camborne has just informed me Also available at Alton Model Centre where I picked up one this afternoon. Had only ordered the Carmine and Cream versions but on seeing them I was so impressed I decided very quickly to get a GWR version as well. Godfrey 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium petethemole Posted February 5, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 5, 2016 (edited) AC Models Eastleigh have both handed brakes in GW livery; I didn't see any crimson/cream but I wasn't looking for them. Edited February 5, 2016 by petethemole Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 81C Posted February 5, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 5, 2016 Also available at Alton Model Centre where I picked up one this afternoon. Had only ordered the Carmine and Cream versions but on seeing them I was so impressed I decided very quickly to get a GWR version as well. Godfrey Looks like I will be getting my 2 brakes tomorrow if Paul has them in stock, ouch said the wallet and SWMBO she was not impressed with the price of them , so what I said. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted February 5, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 5, 2016 (edited) Wow! Impressive. I did say *most*... I suspect with 11(!) you're in a small minority. Folks own fewer A4s! I've got 4 autotrailers, 2 Airfix and 2 K's (one still in kit form!) and no A4s! IMHO we need Autotrailers for the 30s not the 50s (Hawksworth), they were still around at the same time as the later ones. Keith Edited February 5, 2016 by melmerby 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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