ROY@34F Posted November 18, 2015 Share Posted November 18, 2015 Hi Dr G-F There were intermediate wheeled trolleys (tubs) that the contents of the coal wagons were emptied into. When a loco required coaling, it was these latter tubs that were then emptied into the tender via a counter-balanced ramp. So it was the coaling stage guys job to keep the tubs full so if there was a sudden convey of locos requiring coaling then they could be serviced quickly. Quite a common arrangement at many coal stages around the country. I'll try and find a pic... Here we are - a recreation at Diddlycot http://www.onlineweb.com/rail/photos/didcot_rly_centre_2010/mini-P1010399.JPG The tubs at Grantham were 2 wheeled , bigger wheels as well ; but otherwise quite correct and well done on t'other side (mess room side) ; captures the scene well. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted November 18, 2015 Author Share Posted November 18, 2015 Have you designed the cunning device to allow a cut of wagons to be parked on the incline yet? Yes - it's called a 'loco' Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Blue Streak Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 I like the idea of a sprag made from a matchstick. Sprags were a common site around the railways at one time. It would even be prototypical to put it in and out by hand for all to see. Although unless you have tiny hands they may look a bit over scale ! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold JCL Posted November 19, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 19, 2015 I hate to ask, but "sprag"? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manna Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 G'day Gents In the Kings Cross area, they were called a 'Scotch' there a wedge with a handle on, you jam them under the wheels to stop wagons (and loco's) running away. manna Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold JCL Posted November 19, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 19, 2015 Thanks a lot manna - I remember seeing something like that now - and now I know what it's called. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Alister_G Posted November 19, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 19, 2015 I believe technically a "Sprag" is more usually a either a stick or bar which you jam between the spokes, to stop a wheel moving, or (originally on horse-drawn vehicles) a spike which was attached to the vehicle and was lowered to the ground to stop the vehicle rolling backwards downhill. A triangular wedge that jams between the wheels and the rail (or wheels and ground) would normally be termed a chock or as manna says, a scotch. But again these terms were subverted by local custom, so could be any or none of the above. Al. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Blue Streak Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 (edited) Sprag http://www.sigwa.info/files/Sprag-in-use_sm.jpg Hopefully the link works !!!! Edited November 19, 2015 by The Blue Streak Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted November 19, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 19, 2015 I'm not sure whther the GN tubs were the same as the Midland ones but I've got 4 of them for Green Ayre built from potos. If they would be of interest I'll try and get some decent photos of them this weekend. Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted November 19, 2015 Author Share Posted November 19, 2015 Thanks Jamie! To be honest, I'm not sure. I suspect they were different but no harm in comparing notes so - yes - please do send us some pics if you are able. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ArthurK Posted November 19, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 19, 2015 Thanks Jamie! To be honest, I'm not sure. I suspect they were different but no harm in comparing notes so - yes - please do send us some pics if you are able. This is a North Eastern version. North Blyth mid sixties. ArthurK 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 I like the ridge along the corrugated sheeting. Funny how it's the same height as the end of the carts..... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROY@34F Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 IN Arthur K's photo in post 2694 , the tubs look the same as the Grantham ones , but NOT the chutes . At Grantham the tub wheels located in like a cradle the same radius /shape of the wheels , and the tub swivelled in a tipping motion emptying into the tender below . I'm sure I've seen pictures of it some where ; probably in John Clayson's "Return to Grantham" thread in RMWeb , or the "ebook" thingy he and others have embarked upon : see www.returntograntham.co.uk . I'm sure you're aware of this site though Graham , and as the business side of the old coaling stage is not on the viewing side I did'nt think you would be modelling the tubs . Hence I did'nt really comment in detail too much . Regards , Roy. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted November 19, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 19, 2015 G'day Gents In the Kings Cross area, they were called a 'Scotch' there a wedge with a handle on, you jam them under the wheels to stop wagons (and loco's) running away. manna That's a scotch, a sprag is something different and was a short wooden baulk tapered at each end. To use a sprag it was shoved into a wheel in such a way that the sprag was tight against the axle guard and thus stopped the wheel turning. They also made useful packing when re-railing as the taper could be rather so i understand. They started to disappear from the late 1960s onwards as they weren't very good on three hole disc wheels and they were also nice and handy to split for firewood in brake van stoves. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Dominion Posted November 19, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 19, 2015 (edited) I had a question about books on Grantham that I hoped I may ask here. "Eastern Region Steam Twilight" by Colin Walker comes in 2 parts. One is subtitled South of Grantham and the other is North of Grantham. Does anyone happen to know if there is much of Grantham in either volume, and if so which one ? Tom Edited November 19, 2015 by Dominion Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium great northern Posted November 19, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 19, 2015 I had a question about books on Grantham that I hoped I may ask here. "Eastern Region Steam Twilight" by Colin Walker comes in 2 parts. One is subtitled South of Grantham and the other is North of Grantham. Does anyone happen to know if there is much of Grantham in either volume, and if so which one ? Tom Some in Part 1 Tom, but a lot more in Part 2. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr.king Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 I was definitely thinking of something put through the spokes when I referred to a sprag. In yet another strange twist of the English language, in these parts, in my childhood, the verb "to sprag" also meant "to expose wrong-doings" i.e. to inform (generally a teacher in those days) or to expose a miscreant. Looks like it also described, as a noun, a prop in a colliery, if on-line info is correct. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted November 19, 2015 Author Share Posted November 19, 2015 In yet another strange twist of the English language, in these parts, in my childhood, the verb "to sprag" also meant "to expose wrong-doings" i.e. to inform (generally a teacher in those days) or to expose a miscreant. Where I came from, the equivalent verb was "to snitch" Definitely a bit Need to find something new to post... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
manna Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 G'day Gents I suppose after you had been 'dobbed in' by some 'snitch' you could very well want to jam them under a wagons wheels ?? manna Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright Posted November 19, 2015 Share Posted November 19, 2015 (edited) Of course! (Shh! Keep your voice down - 'Sir' might be listening. I don't want to get lines again... ) He is listening! Superlative recent work by the way - my heartiest congratulations. I'm glad the C2 is getting regular work - I hope she's behaving herself. How she was built will appear in BRM next year. Out of interest, John Redrup (LRM) is sending me the D2 kit for the saturated locos. I think this is more appropriate, and speaking with Ben Jones yesterday he'll feature a build article of it in BRM also next year. Any particular number? I look forward to sitting, being seated, and to have sat near to you at Warley next weekend. Edited November 19, 2015 by Tony Wright 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNER4479 Posted November 20, 2015 Author Share Posted November 20, 2015 (edited) Out of interest, John Redrup (LRM) is sending me the D2 kit for the saturated locos. I think this is more appropriate, and speaking with Ben Jones yesterday he'll feature a build article of it in BRM also next year. Any particular number? That sounds fantastic! I guess any number except No.4329: If I can be so bold(!) watch out for different: Chimneys; Domes (4329 has the wrong type!); Safety Valves; Cabs; Tender brake gear; etc...! If ever there was a loco type that needs a good reference picture to work off then it was a GN 4-4-0. By the 1930's there were hardly two alike! I'll bring some pics to Warley and we can swap notes. Edited November 20, 2015 by LNER4479 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr.king Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 G'day Gents I suppose after you had been 'dobbed in' by some 'snitch' you could very well want to jam them under a wagons wheels ?? manna Or through the spokes. You'd easily be mardy* enough to do either. *Does anybody outside the Lincolnshire / South Yorkshire area know that term? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 Or through the spokes. You'd easily be mardy* enough to do either. *Does anybody outside the Lincolnshire / South Yorkshire area know that term? Staffordshire - in the 1950s. Regards, John Isherwood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 mardy* My best mate's mother (Walsall) all the time, especially when talking about his girlfriends and usually attached to the bovine epithet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gr.king Posted November 20, 2015 Share Posted November 20, 2015 Far more widely used than I'd ever imagined! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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