design8027 Posted May 24, 2013 Share Posted May 24, 2013 Great news about the Bachmann mk2f's. Can see my visa getting a workout in the near future. What to do with the Hornby and Dapol coaches, have wanted some scotrail coaches so might repaint the intercity red stripes blue. On that subject, has anyone attempted that in the past? Stephen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathan452 Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 Wonder how they are going to compare to these? http://www.ehattons.com/58981/Murphy_Models_MM5210_Irish_MkII_coach_with_black_roof/StockDetail.aspx Just to get those taste buds going. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ian Fisher Posted June 10, 2013 Share Posted June 10, 2013 I'm hoping they (Bachmann's 2f) are loads better. Build quality never hit me as great. Ian Wonder how they are going to compare to these? http://www.ehattons.com/58981/Murphy_Models_MM5210_Irish_MkII_coach_with_black_roof/StockDetail.aspx Just to get those taste buds going. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Accurascale Fran Posted June 11, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 11, 2013 I'm hoping they (Bachmann's 2f) are loads better. Build quality never hit me as great. Ian Latest batch (as per pic) is much improved over early versions. Consensus is that the windows are a tad too high up the bodyside. Looking forward to the Bachmann ones though. Two BR rakes planned at least. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Keith J Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 Disappointed there’s no Anglia turquoise liveried DBSO. Hopefully they’ll produce one at some point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted July 6, 2013 Share Posted July 6, 2013 Wonder how they are going to compare to these? http://www.ehattons.com/58981/Murphy_Models_MM5210_Irish_MkII_coach_with_black_roof/StockDetail.aspx Just to get those taste buds going. By being a bl**dy sight cheaper I hope Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium cessna152towser Posted December 24, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 24, 2013 (edited) I wouldn't write off the blue and grey RFB as a poor seller. True that it is non-authentic for the British Railways era as the converted vehicles only appeared after the introduction of the "raspberry ripple" and "swallow" liveries. However it would be an appropriate livery for a heritage train on a contemporary layout. The full size 1215 is currently in blue and grey livery at Whitrope where it acts as the static buffet on Waverley Route Heritage Association open days. As a WRHA volunteer, I had a customer visited last year who told me that he was employed by West Cost Railways who owned identical vehicles. 1215 is not owned by WRHA, as far as I know it is owned by Northumbria Rail who also appear to own rolling stock at several other sites, so could well be on the move again in the future. So far the RFB is the only one of the new Bachmann coaches which I have pre-ordered. Edited December 24, 2013 by cessna152towser 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Summerisle Posted December 26, 2013 Share Posted December 26, 2013 No mention of how the DCC is being implemented. Interestingly, though I think we know it's for the lighting, that's not what the web page says: The OO scale BR MK2F coaches feature: Highly detailed underframe DCC versions available Close coupling mechanisM So it's not entirely impossible (though somewhat unlikely) that the DCC may be for more than just lighting? DCC flushing toilets? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted December 27, 2013 Share Posted December 27, 2013 (edited) im not sure if the dcc version coaches will have a decoder fitted (it would have to be very small as I doubt Bachmann would let it intrude into any of the visible coach interior including the toilets - it could possibly sit in the roof area at a push) or whether they will be continuously powered through the usual insulated wheelsets with pick ups. it would be a shame if there was no facility to turn off the lights but I dont think Bachmann are so narrow minded to omit such an important function (as with the Blue Pullman) because interior lights are only really visible in the dark (or for the pedants - the brief moments in tunnels or under bridges and such like - sorry you have to try and cover all the bases on here to avoid pointless jibes). Maybe like on the Desiro 350s they will have a removeable roof panel with a sliding on-off switch underneath which at least keeps thing nice and simple. I suppose they could have a simple on-off decoder with maybe the possibility that the light brightness can be dimmed or intensified (just as you can with most of the diesel headlights) but I doubt it for my latter idea........I also think that if anything you wouldnt want to turn lights up in these coaches to full brightness. I am sure I read somewhere that the coaches will receive fully detailed interiors too? Seems a good move if you have lights inside. The Rapido Trains Easy Peasy Lighting system is good because you just pass the supplied wand over the coaches and it turns all the lights on or off but maybe not one for the purists Edited December 27, 2013 by ThaneofFife Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny retro Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 i hope they get the livery right on the blue/grey ones. the mk2b's are still wrong as the blue is too close to the lower edges of the windows. hopefully the shade of blue will be correct too. i'm not a skilled modeller and while i respect certain people's ability to completely strip, glaze and repaint a brand new carriage which cost nearly 30 quid, i'd rather the manufacturer got it right in the first place. ready to run should mean exactly that! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 best keep a close eye on the painted samples when they arrive but that has to be a good year away. i expect a possible grand reveal at Warley next year...... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathan452 Posted July 24, 2014 Share Posted July 24, 2014 i hope they get the livery right on the blue/grey ones. the mk2b's are still wrong as the blue is too close to the lower edges of the windows. hopefully the shade of blue will be correct too. i'm not a skilled modeller and while i respect certain people's ability to completely strip, glaze and repaint a brand new carriage which cost nearly 30 quid, i'd rather the manufacturer got it right in the first place. ready to run should mean exactly that! You really mean the Mk2a's? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 im not sure if the dcc version coaches will have a decoder fitted (it would have to be very small as I doubt Bachmann would let it intrude into any of the visible coach interior including the toilets - it could possibly sit in the roof area at a push) or whether they will be continuously powered through the usual insulated wheelsets with pick ups. it would be a shame if there was no facility to turn off the lights but I dont think Bachmann are so narrow minded to omit such an important function (as with the Blue Pullman) because interior lights are only really visible in the dark (or for the pedants - the brief moments in tunnels or under bridges and such like - sorry you have to try and cover all the bases on here to avoid pointless jibes). Maybe like on the Desiro 350s they will have a removeable roof panel with a sliding on-off switch underneath which at least keeps thing nice and simple. I suppose they could have a simple on-off decoder with maybe the possibility that the light brightness can be dimmed or intensified (just as you can with most of the diesel headlights) but I doubt it for my latter idea........I also think that if anything you wouldnt want to turn lights up in these coaches to full brightness. I am sure I read somewhere that the coaches will receive fully detailed interiors too? Seems a good move if you have lights inside. The Rapido Trains Easy Peasy Lighting system is good because you just pass the supplied wand over the coaches and it turns all the lights on or off but maybe not one for the purists It would strike me as odd calling these coaches with DCC lights if they cannot be operated by digital control. In fact designing these so that it works (switches on) only if the thing senses its on a DCC track rather than a analogue one would be a pointless costly exercise IMHO that won't please anyone. My assumption would be a coach that lights up on both DCC and classic analogue control with the possibilty to switch lights on/off via DCC signal when controled by the former. Naturally, having a rake of 10 coaches, to be controled under DCC individually might be a pain - unless you can give them all the same address, and the signal would then switch the whole lot on or off. I agree it would be nice to know what Bachmann intend operator wise.... Hornby's Mk2Es would doubtless work on both too only you have no computer control, so they would rest permamently on unless electricity was cut from the track. I look forwards to both sets, as I'm sure they will look splendid behind my all blue sound fitted class 40.... (being overtaken by the APT-E) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 I look forwards to both sets, as I'm sure they will look splendid behind my all blue sound fitted class 40.... Very warm or rather chilly for those on board then! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Normally the function, thus the signal to switch lights on or off is the same (as far as locos are concerned), so if the same applies here and they all have the same address then, you could half the coaches on the track, send the commend to twigger the lights (lights come on), then put the other half on the track. Send the signal again, the lights come on in the second group but go off in the first. Now intermix the groups 1 by 1, so that you have one lit coach, one not lit, one lit etc etc Attach a loco. Resend the signal several times and watch as all coaches switch back and forth between lit and non lit units. Ok not very prototypical, but it could be fun!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Very warm or rather chilly for those on board then! and it wont be steamy either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted July 25, 2014 Share Posted July 25, 2014 Normally the function, thus the signal to switch lights on or off is the same (as far as locos are concerned), so if the same applies here and they all have the same address then, you could half the coaches on the track, send the commend to twigger the lights (lights come on), then put the other half on the track. Send the signal again, the lights come on in the second group but go off in the first. Now intermix the groups 1 by 1, so that you have one lit coach, one not lit, one lit etc etc Attach a loco. Resend the signal several times and watch as all coaches switch back and forth between lit and non lit units. Ok not very prototypical, but it could be fun!! babble city.... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 (edited) model rail magazine this month had an intriguing bit of news. the farish mk2f's are currently at the research stage. the Bachmann mk2f's however are now at the CAD drawing stage. id have thought if the 00 gauge ones had gone through the research phase the n gauge version would now also be at the CAD stage. the only differences that are apparent to me would be the smaller scale, but wouldnt this all be part of the CAD stage not the research stage? anyone explain this??? Edited September 5, 2014 by ThaneofFife Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johny retro Posted September 18, 2014 Share Posted September 18, 2014 You really mean the Mk2a's? yes, sorry, mk2a's. although hopefully they will produce some mk2b's as well at some point in the next 200 years with their previous mistakes rectified. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted September 21, 2014 Share Posted September 21, 2014 Hattons playing safe...and why not! I thought they maybe commanding a higher sum..so I wonder does that come with accessory decoder too? Ian according to the new catalogue the dcc coaches are shown as "DCC on Board" so it seems no extra expense needed buying decoders. Its probably too soon to expect to see any samples at Warley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted September 25, 2014 Share Posted September 25, 2014 (edited) only dcc on board DBSOs are shown on the Bachmann website but it makes sense to produce non dcc. Bachmann might be thinking that as its a driving van and could lead as well as be pulled it should have directional lighting like most of its locos. perhaps it will operable on DC via a micro switch....i dont think it will cost £100 but i dont expect much change from £60 to be honest maybe £70 using their latest inspection saloon as a guide which costs about £50. Edited September 25, 2014 by ThaneofFife Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BR Blue Posted September 25, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 25, 2014 (edited) I hope the DBSO's will be available as plain coaches as originally planned. I don't do DCC (hate it) and don't want to pay €100 for a coach. Was planning to get 2 in ScotRail (one for what I think would be a quick conversion to an Anglian DBSO) I didn't buy any Irish 071 or 201's as I was paying for speakers that I would never use.. Hornby 31's "DDC sound" etc.. but this is for another thread! What speaker was fitted to the 071s and 201s? I do not have any Irish models but know plenty of people that do. Apart perhaps from provision been made for the fitting of a speaker no speakers were fitted. Correction - the 071/111 did have an inbuilt speaker. Just proves I do not have one. I doubt it would add much to the cost being factory fitted. Edited September 25, 2014 by BR Blue Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
159220 Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Now another livery for Bachmann to do: https://www.flickr.com/photos/60628514@N02/15125579658/sizes/k/ 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
surfsup Posted September 26, 2014 Share Posted September 26, 2014 Now another livery for Bachmann to do: https://www.flickr.com/photos/60628514@N02/15125579658/sizes/k/ Interesting! Thanks for sharing that, though I can see an issue for Bachman as the lights have been changed to feature a modern Tri cluster type - the third light is a LED about cantrail height on the former door cover. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted September 26, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 26, 2014 I wonder how much these will be compared to a SH Airfix with flush glaze and converted underframe (My 2Fs were Airfix converted) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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