Wheatley Posted November 1, 2015 Share Posted November 1, 2015 We're better off at this stage comparing the model with photos of the real thing rather than the CAD. I think Ceptic's point was that it doesn't match those either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 No power from plastic panto. How are you going to model the sparks from the OLE? Not sure that many would be running it under OHLE, but maybe one or two might try making a panto that can conduct. EP photo is impressive and shows the kind of detail standard that buyers of Roco HO models have taken for granted for years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Re6/6 Posted November 6, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 6, 2015 Not sure that many would be running it under OHLE, but maybe one or two might try making a panto that can conduct. We will be! Well, not 'conductable' but operational (up and down!) by fitting one of these: http://www.ukmodelshops.co.uk/judithedge/kit/350 EP photo is impressive and shows the kind of detail standard that buyers of Roco HO models have taken for granted for years. Agreed! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidH Posted November 6, 2015 Share Posted November 6, 2015 And where have the prominent body lifting lugs gone, or are they going to be a separate fitting? Agreed, they are partially missing. But as they seem (from photos) to be fixed to both body and bogie - the question is how should they be attached to the model and still allow the bogie to swing around model railway curves? (Or maybe they are separate fittings.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Scott Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Agreed, they are partially missing. But as they seem (from photos) to be fixed to both body and bogie - the question is how should they be attached to the model and still allow the bogie to swing around model railway curves? (Or maybe they are separate fittings.) As they are "body" lifting lugs they obviously are only attached to the body. I suspect that as they protrude beyond the body moulding with the body may be an issue.. Not at all sure if would be that prominent in oo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheatley Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 Those arguments apply as equally to the handrails, lamp irons and windscreen wipers too but they're all present. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidH Posted November 13, 2015 Share Posted November 13, 2015 As they are "body" lifting lugs they obviously are only attached to the body. I suspect that as they protrude beyond the body moulding with the body may be an issue.. Not at all sure if would be that prominent in oo Are they attached to the body? It's a while since I saw the real loco, but the close up photo of the bogie in Modern Locomotives Illustrated No.215: DC Electric Locos, page 31, looks like they are bolted to a casing on the bogie - DJ's model has that bit. It's whether they are actually also connected to the body - or if they are just a very close fit - I can't see from the photos. They are pretty prominent, visually. I'm guessing they'll be an etched insert, as I assume they'll intefere with bogie rotation on trainset curves. I'm sure all will become clear in due course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJM Dave Posted December 2, 2015 Author Share Posted December 2, 2015 Hi everyone, Here's a question someone out there must know as i cannot seem to get the answer. On the BR Blue class 71, i've found a picture that seems to show the roof panto well as (like the class 86's etc) a light grey colour. Now to be perfectly fair, it could well be the light onto a weathered blue surface caught by the sun so i'm not sure. Anyone got the definitive answer out there? cheers Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 4630 Posted December 2, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 2, 2015 (edited) . Edited November 14, 2016 by 4630 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavidH Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Hi Dave - regarding the body lifting brackets (if that is what they are) queried above. Are they going to be a separate fitting? They are an obvious omission from the engineering prototype. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyddrail Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Pictures I have (not mine) show the ends of the well blue, but I can't be certain of base of well colour it looks grey but this could be dirt. As the rest of the roof is grey that might be best colour to use. Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted December 2, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 2, 2015 Not sure how conclusive this is - dark grey or blue? http://www.rail-online.co.uk/p740193379/hA0240B2#ha0240b2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gwiwer Posted December 3, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 3, 2015 Not sure how conclusive this is - dark grey or blue? http://www.rail-online.co.uk/p740193379/hA0240B2#ha0240b2 To my eyes and at maximum enlargement I'm afraid it's not conclusive at all. But from experience alone I'd suggest the wells were painted blue and quickly acquired a layer of roof grime making them appear darker and towards grey - even black after a long time between repaints. Those which used their pantograph in anger would also have gained some black residue in the well, appearing perhaps dark grey, as the inevitable consequence of carbon rubbing against copper. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Dread Posted December 8, 2015 Share Posted December 8, 2015 (edited) To my eyes and at maximum enlargement I'm afraid it's not conclusive at all. But from experience alone I'd suggest the wells were painted blue and quickly acquired a layer of roof grime making them appear darker and towards grey - even black after a long time between repaints. Those which used their pantograph in anger would also have gained some black residue in the well, appearing perhaps dark grey, as the inevitable consequence of carbon rubbing against copper. I have just spoken with my "Southern Spy", an ex Eastleigh Works man and his memory of the class 71's in the blue livery was that the whole of the body was sprayed blue. Sides and roof and in any case, blue was a colour not available as a "brushing" paint. The pantograph well soon discoloured with scrapings from the overhead anyway. My intention is, with my example, will be firstly to have it "light weathered" by my man "Rippers", before sending it out on Meopham East Junction to haul diverted boat trains. Cannot wait, hurry up Dave, please, pretty please. Edited December 8, 2015 by Judge Dread 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dibber25 Posted December 9, 2015 Share Posted December 9, 2015 Pretty certain the original Corporate Image spec would have had the whole thing blue, with yellow ends. Don't think there was any provision for details in grey, though that well would have got dirty very quickly. (CJL) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted December 9, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 9, 2015 Ok not a 71, but the roof well is described as 'aluminium' for the AL6 in the corporate manual. http://www.doublearrow.co.uk/manual/4_20.1969-01.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyddrail Posted December 10, 2015 Share Posted December 10, 2015 After looking at further pics I think Chris is right, the roof has weathered greyish above the rainstrips. Cheers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikesndbs Posted December 20, 2015 Share Posted December 20, 2015 Merry Christmas fellow 71 fans, do we have any idea of delivery dates yet, sorry been very busy of late Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
slilley Posted January 9, 2016 Share Posted January 9, 2016 Converted at Crewe ?? so there must have been 71's towed north and 74's on test / delivery to SR....................more off route scope Don't forget as well there was a short period around 1970/71 ish when the electro diesels were overhauled at Crewe. E6102, E6105, and E6106, were all repaired at Crewe getting there and back under their own power. Indeed the 74s when built came south under their own power. The 71s would have been towed north for conversion quite right so more opportunities for variations. Simon Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Scott Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 Dave, I have been trying to be good and not mither. Last update was over a month ago. Is there anything you can report? Dave Scott Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJM Dave Posted March 7, 2016 Author Share Posted March 7, 2016 Hi Dave, Sorry mate but Chinese New Year was in the middle there somewhere. I think by this time next week all your questions will be answered nicely 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Scott Posted March 7, 2016 Share Posted March 7, 2016 Hi Dave, Sorry mate but Chinese New Year was in the middle there somewhere. I think by this time next week all your questions will be answered nicely Thanks for the swift reply. Waiting in anticipation Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted March 9, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 9, 2016 Thanks for the swift reply. Waiting in anticipation Dave I'm the same with the Hattons King. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ruggedpeak Posted March 9, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 9, 2016 Nice pic of E5001 pulling NSE liveried EMU's out of Shakespeare Cliff Tunnel in the current (795, WCRC Ban cover) issue of Rail Magazine, on page 64 in the feature on the Dover Sea Wall repairs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Andy Y Posted March 16, 2016 Popular Post Share Posted March 16, 2016 Latest EP sample images thanks to Kernow MRC, the bodyside strapping has been revised as has the cab corner curvature and I can see the roof strapping rivets have appeared. 34 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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