mike hughes Posted July 15, 2017 Share Posted July 15, 2017 I had placed an order a few days back along with some spare mouldings. (I'm a trade customer, J & M Hughes). Had email yesterday saying the mouldings had gone to Peco but they should be able to supply you. Reading on the Peco website the trade account only mention model shops and we defiantly don't. Michael Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Administrators Phil Parker Posted July 15, 2017 Administrators Share Posted July 15, 2017 ... so with all this new technology producing sophisticated masters does it then become more cost effective and profitable to produce complete RTR models rather than kits. I think we've had the Knocked Down Kit debate a good few times previously. Anyhow, I'm off to the pub for a full days debate on the future of the UK Model Train industry. P Producing a plastic part with as much depth as a RTR model body requires takes a different injection moulding machine than the sort you need for thin kit parts. I once asked why Parkside didn't do any tank wagons and they explaining it to me that way. You need higher pressures and very different moulds. Now it might be that Peco have such a machine but the idea that they would buy a kit range and then say, "hang on guys, let's make a new RTR range" doen't make sense no matter how long you spend in the pub. It's not like they don't make RTR already. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 ....I'm off to the pub for a full days debate on the future of the UK Model Train industry. You mean there's a future? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwich station Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 Does this mean that the 00 guage kits are not available from Parkside Dundas or Peco at this present moment in time? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
davefrk Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 Does this mean that the 00 guage kits are not available from Parkside Dundas or Peco at this present moment in time? See post #105 above. Dave Franks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwich station Posted July 16, 2017 Share Posted July 16, 2017 See post #105 above. Dave Franks. Thanks Dave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted July 16, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 16, 2017 (edited) IMG_0960.JPG In case anyone is thinking the 4mm scale Toad E kit PC89 is a remastered/makeover of the earlier kit, it isn't. It's a new kit in its own right. Wasn't the old kit the Toad B, the one with wooden duckets? The one I've built certainly is, or did they do both at some time in the past? My Toad B kit (bought from the club sales stand at an exhibition) turned out very nicely but it took three or four times as long to build as I expect the new kits to. The amount of fettling required to get late runs of those early kits together square, clearly indicated why the moulds were retired. John Edited July 16, 2017 by Dunsignalling Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColHut Posted July 20, 2017 Share Posted July 20, 2017 (edited) I will mis being able to order the kits, couplings, buffers, mounting blocks and decals all from the one place with one lot of postage. Unfortunately this cannot happen with PECO as they are not a retailer. Postage on numerous small orders becomes very expensive. I guess that's what you get for living half a world away At least I have just stocked up. regards Edited July 30, 2017 by ColHut Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pint of Adnams Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 There's a piece in the August Railway Modeller in the news section where Peco announce the acquisition. The following is all from memory as I didn't purchase a copy - if anyone did please feel free to add or amend. The last day for Parkside Dundas 'as was' was yesterday, Friday 28th July, and the stock, moulds and so on are all being transferred to the Ratio site in Buckfastleigh where production should recommence during August. The kits, etc. will be available through Peco stockists, the existing stock in the familiar PD boxes will be sold unchanged and new packaging will be designed. A catalogue is/will be developed for the range, which will be maintained and developed (cannot recall the exact wording) - good news on that score. Other questions regarding the 7mm range in particular and wheel/gauge/standards choices remain unanswered. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hmrspaul Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 I hope Peco realise that Parkside don't put wheels in a box until they sell it! Too much cash tied up in wheels otherwise! Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pint of Adnams Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 I hope Peco realise that Parkside don't put wheels in a box until they sell it! Too much cash tied up in wheels otherwise! Paul That'll be a challenge for the stockists then Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Andy W Posted July 29, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 29, 2017 That'll be a challenge for the stockists then I've never seen a 4mm standard gauge Parkside Dundas kit without wheels already in the packet. Couldn't work any other way as they had quite a few stockists. Even if you bought direct from them at exhibitions, the kits were already packaged with wheels, and if people wanted EM wheels, for example, they opened the packet and exchanged the wheels, except presumably at specialist shows like expoEM when they might have expected most people wouldn't want OO wheels.. I assume the 2mm and 7mm ranges were the same. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Siberian Snooper Posted July 29, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 29, 2017 I've never seen a 4mm standard gauge Parkside Dundas kit without wheels already in the packet. Couldn't work any other way as they had quite a few stockists. Even if you bought direct from them at exhibitions, the kits were already packaged with wheels, and if people wanted EM wheels, for example, they opened the packet and exchanged the wheels, except presumably at specialist shows like expoEM when they might have expected most people wouldn't want OO wheels.. I assume the 2mm and 7mm ranges were the same. I always ordered my Parkside kits from The Model Shop in Exeter to be supplied with EM gauge wheels,it maybe took a little longer for them to arrive, but it saved sending the old ones back and waiting for the new ones too turn up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 I suppose it'll be "OO" wheels or nowt now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PaulCheffus Posted July 29, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 29, 2017 There's a piece in the August Railway Modeller in the news section where Peco announce the acquisition. The following is all from memory as I didn't purchase a copy - if anyone did please feel free to add or amend. The last day for Parkside Dundas 'as was' was yesterday, Friday 28th July, and the stock, moulds and so on are all being transferred to the Ratio site in Buckfastleigh where production should recommence during August. The kits, etc. will be available through Peco stockists, the existing stock in the familiar PD boxes will be sold unchanged and new packaging will be designed. A catalogue is/will be developed for the range, which will be maintained and developed (cannot recall the exact wording) - good news on that score. Other questions regarding the 7mm range in particular and wheel/gauge/standards choices remain unanswered. Hi I tried to order some Parkside Dundas 4mm bits direct on 21st July and was told all the stock had already gone to Peco. Maybe the 4mm stock went earlier. Cheers Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cctransuk Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 I always ordered my Parkside kits from The Model Shop in Exeter to be supplied with EM gauge wheels,it maybe took a little longer for them to arrive, but it saved sending the old ones back and waiting for the new ones too turn up. ..... but you could have ordered, to be supplied with EM wheels, direct from PD. Regards, John Isherwood. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pint of Adnams Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 I've never seen a 4mm standard gauge Parkside Dundas kit without wheels already in the packet. Couldn't work any other way as they had quite a few stockists. Even if you bought direct from them at exhibitions, the kits were already packaged with wheels, and if people wanted EM wheels, for example, they opened the packet and exchanged the wheels, except presumably at specialist shows like expoEM when they might have expected most people wouldn't want OO wheels.. I assume the 2mm and 7mm ranges were the same. Talking 7mm here - as per post 71: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/101924-parkside-dundas/?p=2775082 - 4mm is not the only scale. 4 different types for wagons (split spoke, plain spoke, 3-hole and plain disc) to 3 different scale standards (coarse, finescale, ScaleSeven) making 12 options, so what will the Peco stockists do? Will Peco move to selling the kits sans wheels and leave the choice to the builder? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kubes Posted July 29, 2017 Share Posted July 29, 2017 Parkside Dundas have never to my knowledge supplied 7mm kits to retailers in any other standard than 7mm fine scale. I can't see Peco doing anything else. Kubes Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daniel W Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Is anyone aware of the position that this leaves the Red Panda range in? Are they considered part of the Parkside business or a seperate entity? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Siberian Snooper Posted July 30, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 30, 2017 ..... but you could have ordered, to be supplied with EM wheels, direct from PD. Regards, John Isherwood. I like to try and keep my "local" model shop in business as far as possible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pint of Adnams Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 (edited) http://www.peco-uk.com/page.asp?id=parkside - the official update and stating available direct from Peco in case of difficulty sourcing. I cannot see many Peco stockists holding the range of 7mm models as that represents a substantial additional investment in stock. The 4mm items will probably be incorporated into the same sales processes as the existing Ratio products. Edited July 30, 2017 by Pint of Adnams Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted July 30, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 30, 2017 I suppose it'll be "OO" wheels or nowt now. No doubt Peco plastic wheels from their "Wonderful Wagons" range of kits, no stockholding of other manufacturers wheelsets, due to the reduction in price that Peco will introduce because of this, (ROTFLMAO), the end user can chuck them away and substitute decent wheels of his choice. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pint of Adnams Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Is anyone aware of the position that this leaves the Red Panda range in? Are they considered part of the Parkside business or a seperate entity? Not sure, but PD as was produced the mouldings for a number of different independent ranges over the years. Perhaps some will continue under Dundas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandwich station Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 No doubt Peco plastic wheels from their "Wonderful Wagons" range of kits, no stockholding of other manufacturers wheelsets, due to the reduction in price that Peco will introduce because of this, (ROTFLMAO), the end user can chuck them away and substitute decent wheels of his choice. Mike. Didn't I read somewhere that these are going to be produced at there Ratio factory. If so most of the Ratio wagons now come with metal wheels. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted July 30, 2017 Share Posted July 30, 2017 Never has there been so much scare mongering since the Brexit Referendum and even after the result no body actually knows what they will be getting in the future (applies to both)! Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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