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I had placed an order a few days back along with some spare mouldings. (I'm a trade customer, J & M Hughes). Had email yesterday saying the mouldings had gone to Peco but they should be able to supply you.

Reading on the Peco website the trade account only mention model shops and we defiantly don't.

 

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... so with all this new technology producing sophisticated masters does it then become more cost effective and profitable to produce complete RTR models rather than kits.

 

I think we've had the Knocked Down Kit debate a good few times previously.

 

Anyhow, I'm off to the pub for a full days debate on the future of the UK Model Train industry.

 

P

 

Producing a plastic part with as much depth as a RTR model body requires takes a different injection moulding machine than the sort you need for thin kit parts. I once asked why Parkside didn't do any tank wagons and they explaining it to me that way. You need higher pressures and very different moulds.

 

Now it might be that Peco have such a machine but the idea that they would buy a kit range and then say, "hang on guys, let's make a new RTR range" doen't make sense no matter how long you spend in the pub. It's not like they don't make RTR already.

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In case anyone is thinking the 4mm scale Toad E kit PC89 is a remastered/makeover of the earlier kit, it isn't.

It's a new kit in its own right.

Wasn't the old kit the Toad B, the one with wooden duckets?

 

The one I've built certainly is, or did they do both at some time in the past?

 

My Toad B kit (bought from the club sales stand at an exhibition) turned out very nicely but it took three or four times as long to build as I expect the new kits to.

 

The amount of fettling required to get late runs of those early kits together square, clearly indicated why the moulds were retired.

 

John   

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I will mis being able to order the kits, couplings, buffers, mounting blocks and decals all from the one place with one lot of postage. Unfortunately this cannot happen with PECO as they are not a retailer. Postage on numerous small orders becomes very expensive.

 

I guess that's what you get for living half a world away :) At least I have just stocked up.

 

regards

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There's a piece in the August Railway Modeller in the news section where Peco announce the acquisition. The following is all from memory as I didn't purchase a copy - if anyone did please feel free to add or amend.

 

The last day for Parkside Dundas 'as was' was yesterday, Friday 28th July, and the stock, moulds and so on are all being transferred to the Ratio site in Buckfastleigh where production should recommence during August.

 

The kits, etc. will be available through Peco stockists, the existing stock in the familiar PD boxes will be sold unchanged and new packaging will be designed.

 

A catalogue is/will be developed for the range, which will be maintained and developed (cannot recall the exact wording) - good news on that score.

 

Other questions regarding the 7mm range in particular and wheel/gauge/standards choices remain unanswered.

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That'll be a challenge for the stockists then :scratchhead:

I've never seen a 4mm standard gauge Parkside Dundas kit without wheels already in the packet. Couldn't work any other way as they had quite a few stockists. Even if you bought direct from them at exhibitions, the kits were already packaged with wheels, and if people wanted EM wheels, for example, they opened the packet and exchanged the wheels, except presumably at specialist shows like expoEM when they might have expected most people wouldn't want OO wheels.. I assume the 2mm and 7mm ranges were the same.

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I've never seen a 4mm standard gauge Parkside Dundas kit without wheels already in the packet. Couldn't work any other way as they had quite a few stockists. Even if you bought direct from them at exhibitions, the kits were already packaged with wheels, and if people wanted EM wheels, for example, they opened the packet and exchanged the wheels, except presumably at specialist shows like expoEM when they might have expected most people wouldn't want OO wheels.. I assume the 2mm and 7mm ranges were the same.

I always ordered my Parkside kits from The Model Shop in Exeter to be supplied with EM gauge wheels,it maybe took a little longer for them to arrive, but it saved sending the old ones back and waiting for the new ones too turn up.

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There's a piece in the August Railway Modeller in the news section where Peco announce the acquisition. The following is all from memory as I didn't purchase a copy - if anyone did please feel free to add or amend.

 

The last day for Parkside Dundas 'as was' was yesterday, Friday 28th July, and the stock, moulds and so on are all being transferred to the Ratio site in Buckfastleigh where production should recommence during August.

 

The kits, etc. will be available through Peco stockists, the existing stock in the familiar PD boxes will be sold unchanged and new packaging will be designed.

 

A catalogue is/will be developed for the range, which will be maintained and developed (cannot recall the exact wording) - good news on that score.

 

Other questions regarding the 7mm range in particular and wheel/gauge/standards choices remain unanswered.

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I tried to order some Parkside Dundas 4mm bits direct on 21st July and was told all the stock had already gone to Peco.

 

Maybe the 4mm stock went earlier.

 

Cheers

 

Paul

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I always ordered my Parkside kits from The Model Shop in Exeter to be supplied with EM gauge wheels,it maybe took a little longer for them to arrive, but it saved sending the old ones back and waiting for the new ones too turn up.

 

..... but you could have ordered, to be supplied with EM wheels,  direct from PD.

 

Regards,

John Isherwood.

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I've never seen a 4mm standard gauge Parkside Dundas kit without wheels already in the packet. Couldn't work any other way as they had quite a few stockists. Even if you bought direct from them at exhibitions, the kits were already packaged with wheels, and if people wanted EM wheels, for example, they opened the packet and exchanged the wheels, except presumably at specialist shows like expoEM when they might have expected most people wouldn't want OO wheels.. I assume the 2mm and 7mm ranges were the same.

Talking 7mm here - as per post 71: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/101924-parkside-dundas/?p=2775082 - 4mm is not the only scale.

 

4 different types for wagons (split spoke, plain spoke, 3-hole and plain disc) to 3 different scale standards (coarse, finescale, ScaleSeven) making 12 options, so what will the Peco stockists do? Will Peco move to selling the kits sans wheels and leave the choice to the builder?

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http://www.peco-uk.com/page.asp?id=parkside - the official update and stating available direct from Peco in case of difficulty sourcing. I cannot see many Peco stockists holding the range of 7mm models as that represents a substantial additional investment in stock.

 

The 4mm items will probably be incorporated into the same sales processes as the existing Ratio products.

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I suppose it'll be "OO" wheels or nowt now.

 

No doubt Peco plastic wheels from their "Wonderful Wagons" range of kits, no stockholding of other manufacturers wheelsets, due to the reduction in price that Peco will introduce because of this, (ROTFLMAO), the end user can chuck them away and substitute decent wheels of his choice.

 

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Is anyone aware of the position that this leaves the Red Panda range in? Are they considered part of the Parkside business or a seperate entity?

Not sure, but PD as was produced the mouldings for a number of different independent ranges over the years. Perhaps some will continue under Dundas.

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No doubt Peco plastic wheels from their "Wonderful Wagons" range of kits, no stockholding of other manufacturers wheelsets, due to the reduction in price that Peco will introduce because of this, (ROTFLMAO), the end user can chuck them away and substitute decent wheels of his choice.

 

Mike.

Didn't I read somewhere that these are going to be produced at there Ratio factory. If so most of the Ratio wagons now come with metal wheels.

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