Steamport Southport Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 That's all stuff already announced I'm afraid. Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 Bachmann have always taken ages to get new models released. All you need is patience. Thing is to justify costs you have to be pretty certain you will make money, and it is still only a reatively small range of already produced models that sell year after year, eg Flying Scotsman. It will be interesting to see what non OO models are announced, such as the OO9 ones. Bachmann are hoping for interest there, but again delays don't help. What about otherscales. It was something suggested by Simon Kohler said in a recent publication online, when he suggested launching range of TT models would make good business sense. Not so sure about TT, as persuading people to change track might be difficult and then there would be a debate about which gauge to use. Maybe some British HO models as they use same track as OO, and could then duplicate some of the existing big sellers. These big sellers would also have more chance of selling outside the UK, thus increasing potential sells. Remember we are talking about commercial opportunities, not providing for the specialist collector. jve felt for a while that a new TT range of uk models could be good given the size now of the average home to house a decent sized model railway and an ageing population that finds it increasingly tricky to model in N but may not have the space for 00 or would like TT as a more accurate scale/gauge (to get away from the underscale OO track debate). it is a big ask getting existing modellers to move from other scales or possibly just have another layout in TT and the range would take sometime to bring in a spectrum wide enough to allow folk to have a layout with the variety they want but who really knows. it would take a generation to get to the same stage that we are now at with say 00 in terms of sheer choices from a catalogue. that may be the nail in the coffin and I can see that maybe developments in TT might impact on continuous improvements to the other established scales. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 .......and back to the frothing we go........ 00 gauge Class 81 AC electric. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted January 7, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 7, 2017 Still praying for a new Manor or 43xx. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 Totally agree with what you're saying but the so say 'clever' marketing men at these companies don't want us to buy models to renumber they want to do obscure liveries which they think will make them collectors items and more desirable. I think I've said until I'm blue in the face - if you want to make money - do an unnumbered blue 31 / 37 & 47 and watch the money roll in - people can add the number they want / nameplate - you could even supply some in the box ala Heljan and they're 47s ............ Then when they've run out - really simple to do another run and as no new tooling would need to be done - there shouldn't be any large price increases ..... To quote those pesky meerkats - simples ! But what do i know - i didnt go to Uni and get a marketing degree .............. but i do do resprays and renumbering and you'd be amazed how many people ask me for simple BR Blue or the like - sometimes the more anonymous the livery - the more desirable it is ..... Ben You be said it till you are blue in the face, but that doesn't change the reality - which is that manufacturers will not make unnumbered locos. Hel jan tried it, it was NOT a success. Bachmann have publicly said in various interviews they have no interest in it . Hornby ? Who knows they are away with the fairies mostly. You are flogging a long deceased horse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PaulCheffus Posted January 7, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 7, 2017 Hi Dapol also tried it with the n gauge 73 again not a success. Cheers Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Roy Langridge Posted January 7, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2017 Hornby ? Who knows they are away with the fairies mostly. You are flogging a long deceased horse. Wow - have you been reading this forum recently? Hornby is a much changed company and that comment, to be quite honest, is disrespectful to the people at the helm who have gone out of their way to initiate conversation with their customer and suppliers to establish what is needed. The Hornby of old, to use your terms, is a long deceased horse. Roy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SouthernBlue80s Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 Agreed. Had Bachmann done 97407 pristine then I would of purchased 2 or 3 to renumber. 47436 was a good example 47 to do, no flush fronts, no weathering with many renumber options so again I buy 2 or 3 instead. I get the loco's I want and Bachmann gets more of my pounds and pence. Totally Agree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest spet0114 Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 Hi Dapol also tried it with the n gauge 73 again not a success. Cheers Paul And have just released an unnumbered 08 in O gauge.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 Wow - have you been reading this forum recently? Hornby is a much changed company and that comment, to be quite honest, is disrespectful to the people at the helm who have gone out of their way to initiate conversation with theirs customer and suppliers to establish what is needed. The Hornby of old, to use your terms, is a long deceased horse. Roy Well that's good to hear. I've no knowledge of the steam side, but poor QC, poor research and poor selection of prototype has marred some of the excellent DE models they have over the last few years. Let's. Hope it's an upward curve. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf27 Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 Just out of curiosity, why do un-numbered locos in N and OO not sell in any great quantities, apparently. Heljan only do in-numbered locos in the O gauge range, by and large, but I guess they don't make so many and that's a different market. Cheers Shane Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Roy Langridge Posted January 7, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2017 Just out of curiosity, why do un-numbered locos in N and OO not sell in any great quantities, apparently. Heljan only do in-numbered locos in the O gauge range, by and large, but I guess they don't make so many and that's a different market. Cheers Shane I think as a percentage models mainly go to either collectors or those that don't really model*. The number of people happy to number or renumber is limited, hence a limited market. Roy * not really the right phrase but I can't think of a better one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James90012 Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 I just hope the 158,90 and MK2f are further down the development process. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GWR8700 Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 A nice Austin 7 would be a very welcome anocment. Along with the Annual Hope for the MR 0-4-4t. Maybe not a original wish but it's mine. And a Johnson 2F! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Edge Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 Any idea what time they make the announcement today? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted January 7, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2017 Any idea what time they make the announcement today? AFAIK, it's 10am tomorrow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Roy Langridge Posted January 7, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2017 Any idea what time they make the announcement today? 1000 tomorrow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
centraltrains Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 Does anyone know where we will be able to find the announcement? Bachmann website suggests to me it is a week long event? http://www.Bachmann.co.uk/details.php?id=345 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
40F Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 Does anyone know where we will be able to find the announcement? Bachmann website suggests to me it is a week long event? http://www.Bachmann.co.uk/details.php?id=345 It will be on here at 09.59.59 and on Bachmanns own website at 10.00.00 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 Totally agree with what you're saying but the so say 'clever' marketing men at these companies don't want us to buy models to renumber they want to do obscure liveries which they think will make them collectors items and more desirable. I think I've said until I'm blue in the face - if you want to make money - do an unnumbered blue 31 / 37 & 47 and watch the money roll in - people can add the number they want / nameplate - you could even supply some in the box ala Heljan and they're 47s ............ Then when they've run out - really simple to do another run and as no new tooling would need to be done - there shouldn't be any large price increases ..... To quote those pesky meerkats - simples ! But what do i know - i didnt go to Uni and get a marketing degree .............. but i do do resprays and renumbering and you'd be amazed how many people ask me for simple BR Blue or the like - sometimes the more anonymous the livery - the more desirable it is ..... Ben Heljan did offer class 47s unnumbered but (as someone already pointed out earlier) they didn't sell at all well, and often ended up being sold off as bargains just to get them moving off the shelves. Hornby (or was it Triang-Hornby?) did offer locomotives with alternative numbers in the '70s or early '80s, but they also weren't such a success. Simon Kohler told a small group of us that among other reasons, the number labels (sometimes whole cabside labels with the lining included) were often put on crookedly and also tended to fray and/or peel off later. They decided that this was not the way to go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted January 7, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 7, 2017 It will be on here at 09.59.59 and on Bachmanns own website at 10.00.00 I thought it was at noon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
phil gollin Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 It will be on here at 09.59.59 and on Bachmanns own website at 10.00.00 . Ah ! RMWeb ALWAYS FIRST with the news. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
caradoc Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 Having taken advantage of some bargain-price unnumbered Heljan OO Class 47s, I can only agree that such models simply do not sell in worthwhile quantities. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted January 7, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 7, 2017 Less than 24 hours to go now.... I can see a new thread. Bachmann 2018 range......................... Coat, hat etc. Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rob D2 Posted January 7, 2017 Share Posted January 7, 2017 Well ， im vaguely excited , even though modelling unpopular periods doesn't normally through up much for me , if I'm honest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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