RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted October 9, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 9, 2017 that P class is TINY by comparison - it looks half the size! Very cute, though. I think I want the pretty blue one. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Popular Post Hattons Dave Posted October 9, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Popular Post Share Posted October 9, 2017 Hi all, As promised, here are images of all 12 painted samples. As has been noted, these are initial samples. Not all lining is present and we have made some notes with the factory for revisions. SECR P Class 0-6-0T 178 in SE&CR full lined green (with brass) SECR P Class 0-6-0T 753 in SE&CR full lined green (with brass) SECR P Class 0-6-0T 754 in SE&CR grey SECR P Class 0-6-0T A325 in SR lined Maunsell green with Maunsell lettering SECR P Class 0-6-0T 1555 in SR black with Egyptian lettering SECR P Class 0-6-0T 1558 in SR black with sunshine lettering SECR P Class 0-6-0T 31027 in BR black with early emblem SECR P Class 0-6-0T 31323 in BR black with late crest SECR P Class 0-6-0T "Pioneer II" in Bowaters Paper Mill green SECR P Class 0-6-0T "Pride of Sussex" in Robertsbridge Flour Mill green SECR P Class 0-6-0T 27 “Primrose” in Bluebell Railway lined black (1960s) SECR P Class 0-6-0T 323 “Bluebell” in Bluebell Railway lined blue (2010s) As ever, we'd love to hear your thoughts and feedback. All 12 versions are still available to pre-order for £99 each on THIS page. Cheers, Dave 20 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenGiraffe22 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 They look fantastic Although I'm not sure about that shade of black on 558 and 555, much too dark. I kid. I look forward to weathering them up! 325 looks particularly handsome in that livery. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Tim Dubya Posted October 9, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 9, 2017 (edited) They're all beautiful! I only wanted an early crest version until I saw the rest... discount for a complete set? Edited October 9, 2017 by Tim Dubya Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelly Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 The photos taken yesterday of Twelve Trees Junction, a couple sadly came out a bit out of focus, but the others show off the P nicely. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted October 9, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 9, 2017 As ever, we'd love to hear your thoughts and feedback. They all look brilliant, so it's difficult to choose, but I would want mine to work on a fictitious light railway in the pre-preservation age, so I was wondering how easy it would be to remove part of the RTR decoration, eg. removing the name 'Pioneer' but leaving the rest (so I could substitute an etched nameplate, for example). Thanks. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Tim Hall Posted October 9, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 9, 2017 Hopefully it'll be easy to fit a crew....an aspect of design many 00 tank locos and diseasels are lacking in..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anglian Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Hi all, As promised, here are images of all 12 painted samples. As has been noted, these are initial samples. Not all lining is present and we have made some notes with the factory for revisions. As ever, we'd love to hear your thoughts and feedback. All 12 versions are still available to pre-order for £99 each on THIS page. Cheers, Dave Hello Dave, Will you be asking for the red below the running plate to be changed to the correct darker shade? Also can you tell me if the coal load will pop out of the bunker or is it part of the body moulding? I have one on order – I may yet stretch to a second. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold greatcoleswoodhalt Posted October 10, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 10, 2017 (edited) P_012_Std.jpg SECR P Class 0-6-0T 323 “Bluebell” in Bluebell Railway lined blue (2010s) As ever, we'd love to hear your thoughts and feedback. Impressive set of initial samples; really capture the 'character' which was lost on the AI... Looking forward to Bluebell joining the collection! Edited October 10, 2017 by jafcreasey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Hattons Dave Posted October 10, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 10, 2017 They all look brilliant, so it's difficult to choose, but I would want mine to work on a fictitious light railway in the pre-preservation age, so I was wondering how easy it would be to remove part of the RTR decoration, eg. removing the name 'Pioneer' but leaving the rest (so I could substitute an etched nameplate, for example). Thanks. It should be relatively easy to remove things such as the lining/name/number etc as they're applied using tampo printing. Hopefully it'll be easy to fit a crew....an aspect of design many 00 tank locos and diseasels are lacking in..... Here's a photo showing the body and cab removed from the running board which would allow you to install crew if required. There's 4 screws to remove the body from the chassis. then 4 more to separate the running plate from the main body. Hello Dave, Will you be asking for the red below the running plate to be changed to the correct darker shade? Also can you tell me if the coal load will pop out of the bunker or is it part of the body moulding? I have one on order – I may yet stretch to a second. 1. This is currently under review. For reference, this is the front of the colour layout for 178. 2. The coal load is glued in to two locating lugs in the bottom of the coal bunker. Following the above steps to remove the body/cab from the running board will allow you to approach it from underneath and allow you to remove it without risking damage to visible parts of the loco. I hope this helps. Cheers, Dave 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Does counting rows of rivets make me a rivet counter? The picture of 178 which opened this topic displays one row of smokebox rivets and the table of variations states that 178 has one row and 753 two rows. On the painted samples it’s the other way around. I know the samples are only for the finish but I thought I’d mention it in case it slips through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Here's a photo showing the body and cab removed from the running board which would allow you to install crew if required. There's 4 screws to remove the body from the chassis. then 4 more to separate the running plate from the main body. 2. The coal load is glued in to two locating lugs in the bottom of the coal bunker. Following the above steps to remove the body/cab from the running board will allow you to approach it from underneath and allow you to remove it without risking damage to visible parts of the loco. I hope this helps. Cheers, Dave The approach to designing these things ticks so many boxes. Congratulations to Dave and Hatton’s! I’m sure the turned brass whistle has been mentioned before but it looks good and should be much more robust. The brass finish has been commented on. It might indeed be nice to have the dome and safety valve seating in real brass or a plated finish but it’s more important (IMHO, of course) to be consistent – both should look the same. I’m happy with it the way it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Hattons Dave Posted October 10, 2017 Author RMweb Gold Share Posted October 10, 2017 Does counting rows of rivets make me a rivet counter? The picture of 178 which opened this topic displays one row of smokebox rivets and the table of variations states that 178 has one row and 753 two rows. On the painted samples it’s the other way around. I know the samples are only for the finish but I thought I’d mention it in case it slips through. The smokeboxes between 178 and 753 have been transposed on these samples. We've noted it with the factory and the final models will be correct as per the detail matrix in the first post. Cheers, Dave 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skinnylinny Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 1. This is currently under review. For reference, this is the front of the colour layout for 178. PClassLayout_Front.PNG This looks very impressive. Just the thought of lining out that Westinghouse pump in full gives me the heebie jeebies! Kudos to your factory workers, especially if it comes out as nicely as in that picture. I'd like to take this opportunity to say thank you to everyone at Hattons for being so open and helpful with information on both this and the Barclay 0-4-0. It's refreshing to see all these questions and concerns being answered so openly and gives me lots of confidence in the finished product. Long may it continue! 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil Parker Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 I want the done to look like this one: 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spikey Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 I'd like to take this opportunity to say thank you to everyone at Hattons for being so open and helpful with information on both this and the Barclay 0-4-0. It's refreshing to see all these questions and concerns being answered so openly and gives me lots of confidence in the finished product. Long may it continue! What Skinnylinny said. AFAIC the "P" looks the biz, given the spec I can think of no reason why it shouldn't run well, and to my way of thinking the price isn't excessive for this level of detail, therefore I have one on order. End of. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anglian Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Dave, Many thanks for answering the questions directly and promptly. I'm very much looking forward to this model being released. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Tim Dubya Posted October 10, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 10, 2017 I want the done to look like this one: Is that P4? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 (edited) Is that P4? No, it's more sort of C14ish ..................... but on that subject, I presume no allowance has been made for P4 - or EM - wheels ( i.e. brakeshoe clearance ) but the crucial question is whether the 'P' uses an axle size familiar to the aftermarket wheel manufacturer ? Edited October 10, 2017 by Wickham Green Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 What Skinnylinny said. AFAIC the "P" looks the biz, given the spec I can think of no reason why it shouldn't run well, and to my way of thinking the price isn't excessive for this level of detail, therefore I have one on order. End of. It has no motor and is being towed by a USA. The USAs run beautifully. Therefore, the P will also run freely. So to speak. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted October 10, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 10, 2017 Lovely looking I must say. The diminutive size doesn't half show up the huge great tension lock couplings though!! Now that we have a up to date spec mini 0-6-0T on the way, how about a nice all singing and all dancing A1X Terrier to go with it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreenGiraffe22 Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 (edited) My money is on Hattons to bring us newly tooled Terriers for sure! Edited October 10, 2017 by GreenGiraffe22 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium phil-b259 Posted October 10, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 10, 2017 (edited) This looks very impressive. Just the thought of lining out that Westinghouse pump in full gives me the heebie jeebies! Kudos to your factory workers, especially if it comes out as nicely as in that picture. To be pedantic the P tanks don't have Westinghouse air pumps! Like most SECR engines, what may look like an 'air pump' is in fact a steam powered reverser - and a very good one at that according to crews I believe. Edited October 10, 2017 by phil-b259 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Roy Langridge Posted October 10, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 10, 2017 To be pedantic the P tanks don't have Westinghouse air pumps! Like most SECR engines, what may look like an 'air pump' is in fact a steam powered reverser - and a very good one at that according to crews I believe. Which you rarely heard a Bulleid crew say! Most frustrating to prepare a West Country and then fail it on the steam reverser when you actually try moving it. Roy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anglian Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 My money is on Hattons to bring us newly tooled Terriers for sure! Long overdue and they would be very popular I'm sure. Small long lived engine, many preserved and lots of attractive liveries. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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