RMweb Gold Chris Chewter Posted December 4, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 4, 2022 Could anyone who own a version of R3987 92194 take a close up photo of the makers nameplate on the front running plate? I had read in an article that whilst the loco was Swindon built, it’s been incorrectly printed. However I cannot find any photos confirming this. Thanks Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium curlypaws Posted December 5, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 5, 2022 Hi Chris, The plate does show it as Crewe built. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JST Posted January 13, 2023 Share Posted January 13, 2023 I know with all that is going on with the 2023 stuff that this loco is old hat now but I have just got round to commissioning mine and I have to say I am very pleased with it. I followed the advice in this thread and fitted a dual sugar cube speaker and can concur that the close coupling is a pain to do. However, mine doesn’t suffer the “Sam’s Trains” power issue and I really like the Youchoos sound. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Chris Chewter Posted May 2, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 2, 2023 (edited) There’s a class of locomotive that I particularly like, and that’s a 9f. That gap between the frames and the boiler looks odd but makes it such a distinctive loco, and having fired one, they’re an impressive machine to operate. Anyway, having a few Bachmann 9fs in my collection, I just wondered whether the Hornby offering was enough of a step up. So I decided to buy another Evening Star, and the preferred loco would stay in the collection. Ive sat the two side by side so that people can make their minds up. First up a face off from the two contenders! Which is which? The easy way to tell the difference is the tyres. The Bachmann ones are blackened where as the Hornby has silvered tyres. The lining on the Hornby loco looks very slightly finer to my eye. The Bachmann loco also has that brass spring for the pony truck which socks you in the eye, which the Hornby one hasn't. So how do they look head on? Hornby on the left, Bachmann on the right. The platform below the smoke box door being the most obvious difference. Why the locking handle for the Hornby loco is in the wrong position is a mystery! Both have NEM pockets. From the rear. Hornby on the right this time. Not much to say here to be honest. There are tender pickups on the Hornby loco, but no pickups on the Bachmann BR1G tender. How about from the top? Hornby on the right and Bachmann on the left. The chimney is the give away here. The Hornby loco has an open chimney, where as the Bachmann one is not as deep. Also the ventilator (Nicknamed the ‘Sunroof’ where I volunteer) is openable on the Hornby version. We've already discussed the boiler seam in the thread already so I won't go over old ground. More coal in the Hornby version. Tender filler seems bigger on the Hornby tender, and the Bachmann tender has an extra cap. Side on: Hornby on the top and Bachmann on the bottom. I’ve already mentioned tyres but the pipe work on the Hornby version is different. Not too much to say about the printing, but does the Hornby version look a little olive green in colour? The lining on the Hornby version again does look finer. But that Bachmann pony spring looks huge! No sand pipes on the Hornby version though. And the tenders. No pickups on the Bachmann version, although that Bachmann tender has the roller bearings picked out where as the Hornby one is simply black. The number spacing also differs. No idea which is correct! There is obviously more detail in the cab of the Hornby loco, with handles picked out in red, and obviously, there's that firebox glow in the Hornby version. The Hornby version also has crew in the box. You have to supply your own with the Bachmann variant! When it comes to boxes, Hornby wins hands down! Sliding open the box is lovely when you’ve spent a ton of cash on a loco, but getting it past the Mrs could be a challenge! I hope that helps. My view is both are great-looking models and the Bachmann loco holds its own, especially as its a 17-year-old design! It’s a case of whichever manufacturer makes the loco you’re after and how much you’re willing to spend. You pays your money... Which one am I keeping, well that’ll be telling! Edited May 2, 2023 by Chris Chewter 4 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-BOAF Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 15 hours ago, Chris Chewter said: There’s a class of locomotive that I particularly like, and that’s a 9f. That gap between the frames and the boiler looks odd but makes it such a distinctive loco, and having fired one, they’re an impressive machine to operate. Anyway, having a few Bachmann 9fs in my collection, I just wondered whether the Hornby offering was enough of a step up. So I decided to buy another Evening Star, and the preferred loco would stay in the collection. Ive sat the two side by side so that people can make their minds up. First up a face off from the two contenders! Which is which? The easy way to tell the difference is the tyres. The Bachmann ones are blackened where as the Hornby has silvered tyres. The lining on the Hornby loco looks very slightly finer to my eye. The Bachmann loco also has that brass spring for the pony truck which socks you in the eye, which the Hornby one hasn't. So how do they look head on? Hornby on the left, Bachmann on the right. The platform below the smoke box door being the most obvious difference. Why the locking handle for the Hornby loco is in the wrong position is a mystery! Both have NEM pockets. From the rear. Hornby on the right this time. Not much to say here to be honest. There are tender pickups on the Hornby loco, but no pickups on the Bachmann BR1G tender. How about from the top? Hornby on the right and Bachmann on the left. The chimney is the give away here. The Hornby loco has an open chimney, where as the Bachmann one is not as deep. Also the ventilator (Nicknamed the ‘Sunroof’ where I volunteer) is openable on the Hornby version. We've already discussed the boiler seam in the thread already so I won't go over old ground. More coal in the Hornby version. Tender filler seems bigger on the Hornby tender, and the Bachmann tender has an extra cap. Side on: Hornby on the top and Bachmann on the bottom. I’ve already mentioned tyres but the pipe work on the Hornby version is different. Not too much to say about the printing, but does the Hornby version look a little olive green in colour? The lining on the Hornby version again does look finer. But that Bachmann pony spring looks huge! No sand pipes on the Hornby version though. And the tenders. No pickups on the Bachmann version, although that Bachmann tender has the roller bearings picked out where as the Hornby one is simply black. The number spacing also differs. No idea which is correct! There is obviously more detail in the cab of the Hornby loco, with handles picked out in red, and obviously, there's that firebox glow in the Hornby version. The Hornby version also has crew in the box. You have to supply your own with the Bachmann variant! When it comes to boxes, Hornby wins hands down! Sliding open the box is lovely when you’ve spent a ton of cash on a loco, but getting it past the Mrs could be a challenge! I hope that helps. My view is both are great-looking models and the Bachmann loco holds its own, especially as its a 17-year-old design! It’s a case of whichever manufacturer makes the loco you’re after and how much you’re willing to spend. You pays your money... Which one am I keeping, well that’ll be telling! A nice comparison. I see you have the Bachmann Evening Star from the first batch which had the nicest shade of green and quality of decoration (e.g. tender lining too high up on later releases). I really regret passing on 92220 from this run, as my later Bachmann model was really not as good. This said, the whole thing does seem rather rough around the edges compared to the Hornby model (as well as having no bearings on the driving wheels, and no tender pickups). Although some areas like the etched smoke deflectors remain better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted May 3, 2023 Share Posted May 3, 2023 The coal in the tender should be removable. It is on the other models. Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bluebell Model Railway Posted May 4, 2023 Share Posted May 4, 2023 On 02/05/2023 at 19:57, Chris Chewter said: There’s a class of locomotive that I particularly like, and that’s a 9f. That gap between the frames and the boiler looks odd but makes it such a distinctive loco, and having fired one, they’re an impressive machine to operate. Anyway, having a few Bachmann 9fs in my collection, I just wondered whether the Hornby offering was enough of a step up. So I decided to buy another Evening Star, and the preferred loco would stay in the collection. Ive sat the two side by side so that people can make their minds up. First up a face off from the two contenders! Which is which? The easy way to tell the difference is the tyres. The Bachmann ones are blackened where as the Hornby has silvered tyres. The lining on the Hornby loco looks very slightly finer to my eye. The Bachmann loco also has that brass spring for the pony truck which socks you in the eye, which the Hornby one hasn't. So how do they look head on? Hornby on the left, Bachmann on the right. The platform below the smoke box door being the most obvious difference. Why the locking handle for the Hornby loco is in the wrong position is a mystery! Both have NEM pockets. From the rear. Hornby on the right this time. Not much to say here to be honest. There are tender pickups on the Hornby loco, but no pickups on the Bachmann BR1G tender. How about from the top? Hornby on the right and Bachmann on the left. The chimney is the give away here. The Hornby loco has an open chimney, where as the Bachmann one is not as deep. Also the ventilator (Nicknamed the ‘Sunroof’ where I volunteer) is openable on the Hornby version. We've already discussed the boiler seam in the thread already so I won't go over old ground. More coal in the Hornby version. Tender filler seems bigger on the Hornby tender, and the Bachmann tender has an extra cap. Side on: Hornby on the top and Bachmann on the bottom. I’ve already mentioned tyres but the pipe work on the Hornby version is different. Not too much to say about the printing, but does the Hornby version look a little olive green in colour? The lining on the Hornby version again does look finer. But that Bachmann pony spring looks huge! No sand pipes on the Hornby version though. And the tenders. No pickups on the Bachmann version, although that Bachmann tender has the roller bearings picked out where as the Hornby one is simply black. The number spacing also differs. No idea which is correct! There is obviously more detail in the cab of the Hornby loco, with handles picked out in red, and obviously, there's that firebox glow in the Hornby version. The Hornby version also has crew in the box. You have to supply your own with the Bachmann variant! When it comes to boxes, Hornby wins hands down! Sliding open the box is lovely when you’ve spent a ton of cash on a loco, but getting it past the Mrs could be a challenge! I hope that helps. My view is both are great-looking models and the Bachmann loco holds its own, especially as its a 17-year-old design! It’s a case of whichever manufacturer makes the loco you’re after and how much you’re willing to spend. You pays your money... Which one am I keeping, well that’ll be telling! I do enjoy these comparisons, I know moudling technology and processes have changed down the years, but as you say at the end 17 years between the two... which makes in my view Bachmann's effort commendable... also all the bits on the motion works, Hornby's doesn't... there's detail differences like the lamp irons being standard on Bachmann's and correct GWR ones on Hornby. I still think for a 2006/7 tooled model it stands up pretty well ok less fine, but they have a good reputation... unless you watch one Youtube review😄er... colour wise Bachmann's has always been good... its a difficult colour green in China. But really I think Hornby's shows the progress in detail and what the customer wants, plus all the electronic wizardry.... Bachmann's is from a time where none of the lights and dcc sound were really thought of... or a second thought. The mechanism/gear tower placement as well, bearings and no bearings, I still have my Bachmann one £92 from Hattons 13 years ago ... still starts, stops and goes. I take it he kept both 😅 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted May 4, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 4, 2023 On 02/05/2023 at 19:57, Chris Chewter said: The thing that grates with me with the Bachmann version is the very visible gear tower coming from the motor. Hornby drive from one of the rearmost wheelsets so nothing there that shouldn't be. Agree that on a loco with such a visible gap twixt frame and boiler, the sandpipes from sandbox filler all the way to wheels should really be modelled. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
45568 Posted June 27, 2023 Share Posted June 27, 2023 Received an email from Hattons this morning! Class 9F 2-10-0 92097 in BR black with late crest - with Westinghouse Pumps Our latest information from the supplier suggests this item will arrive with us between October 2023 & November 2023 Whilst we are hopeful this information is accurate, manufacturer lead times are frequently prone to be delayed. This information is to be used as a guide only. We hope that this email has been useful. Cheers from Oz, Peter C. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted June 27, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 27, 2023 8 hours ago, 45568 said: Received an email from Hattons this morning! Class 9F 2-10-0 92097 in BR black with late crest - with Westinghouse Pumps Our latest information from the supplier suggests this item will arrive with us between October 2023 & November 2023 Whilst we are hopeful this information is accurate, manufacturer lead times are frequently prone to be delayed. This information is to be used as a guide only. We hope that this email has been useful. Cheers from Oz, Peter C. I’m looking forward to this one. My KR Consett wagons are waiting lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted June 29, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted June 29, 2023 When Hornby does it good they are unstoppable. The 9f and forthcoming 2MT look to be amongst the finest models Hornbys ever made. Evening star is amongst one of my favourite models for that reason, more like this. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted June 30, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted June 30, 2023 (edited) 11 hours ago, adb968008 said: When Hornby does it good they are unstoppable. The 9f and forthcoming 2MT look to be amongst the finest models Hornbys ever made. Evening star is amongst one of my favourite models for that reason, more like this. Absolutely agree with you. The new Evening Star is one of, if not the, best Hornby models I have ever owned. Definitely plan on getting a green 2MT to go with it. Edited June 30, 2023 by Hilux5972 Spelling 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
34theletterbetweenB&D Posted July 15, 2023 Share Posted July 15, 2023 On 02/05/2023 at 19:57, Chris Chewter said: Anyway, having a few Bachmann 9fs in my collection, I just wondered whether the Hornby offering was enough of a step up. So I decided to buy another Evening Star, and the preferred loco would stay in the collection. The most significant improvement in my eyes, clearly visible in your comparison photograph, is that the Hornby has a (more) accurate coupled wheelbase and better representation of the hollow axles. The Bachmann is slightly overlength in coupled wheelbase, while Hornby appear to have got closer to scale for 21'8"; which is impressive as this must lead to very little clearance between flanges on the leading and trailing pairs. When I acquire a Hornby 9F with BR1F I will see how close to the truth Hornby have managed, and what they had to do to achieve it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold RedgateModels Posted July 15, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 15, 2023 I had the pleasure a couple of weeks ago to dcc sound fit a good customer's Evening Star. Enclosure for a sugar cube was welcome, but of course I had to find wires from the pcb to the speaker. Thankfully there were solder pads, if not very well labelled. Please Hornby follow emerging manufacturers and fit the cube ready if you are putting a 21 pin socket in. Lovely loco, you do have to get up close to see the mould lines on the boiler. At normal viewing distances they are not noticeable. Would love one, but can't really justify another 9F....... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattingleycustom Posted July 15, 2023 Share Posted July 15, 2023 The comparison between the two Evening Star models is interesting. The one thing that stands out is the placing of the late crest on the tender side. Photos of the real thing in BR service shows the late crest where it is on the Bachmann model, on the Hornby version it lines it up with the centre axlebox which is incorrect. However apart from this and the usual bright metal tyres and buffers (which applies to all Hornby models), IMHO the Hornby model is the superior model ... ... and please make a model of 92245! Glenn 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caledonian Gateway Posted July 15, 2023 Share Posted July 15, 2023 1 hour ago, mattingleycustom said: The comparison between the two Evening Star models is interesting. The one thing that stands out is the placing of the late crest on the tender side. Photos of the real thing in BR service shows the late crest where it is on the Bachmann model, on the Hornby version it lines it up with the centre axlebox which is incorrect. However apart from this and the usual bright metal tyres and buffers (which applies to all Hornby models), IMHO the Hornby model is the superior model ... ... and please make a model of 92245! Glenn The crest looks to be in the correct place as it is currently preserved in the NRM. I coloured the tyres in with Sharpie on mine which improved it. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattingleycustom Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 22 hours ago, Caledonian Gateway said: The crest looks to be in the correct place as it is currently preserved in the NRM. Interesting, so Hornby have produced a very accurate model of 92220 for the loco in its current condition. If there is an error with the placing of the crest it lies with the NRM, not Hornby. Glenn Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 1 hour ago, mattingleycustom said: Interesting, so Hornby have produced a very accurate model of 92220 for the loco in its current condition. If there is an error with the placing of the crest it lies with the NRM, not Hornby. Glenn I think Hornby have done it in it's Swindon "as built" condition. Seems that Swindon and Crewe placed the totems differently. Look at the early photos, then the 1970s/80s ones. In the 1960s photos the totem is further forward. https://preservedbritishsteamlocomotives.com/92220-evening-star/ I think it got a repaint when it was retired and I assume they've put it back to it's original condition. Jason 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted July 16, 2023 Share Posted July 16, 2023 46 minutes ago, Steamport Southport said: Look at the early photos, then the 1970s/80s ones. In the 1960s photos the totem is further forward. 1964 https://flic.kr/p/2ooE7gM 1978 https://flic.kr/p/A1THKq P 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted July 16, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 16, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, Steamport Southport said: I think Hornby have done it in it's Swindon "as built" condition. Seems that Swindon and Crewe placed the totems differently. Look at the early photos, then the 1970s/80s ones. In the 1960s photos the totem is further forward. https://preservedbritishsteamlocomotives.com/92220-evening-star/ I think it got a repaint when it was retired and I assume they've put it back to it's original condition. Jason At Rainhill the logos were in the correct location. 92220 was repainted after, at Didcot in preservation. Edited July 16, 2023 by adb968008 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattingleycustom Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 Evening Star and the case of the moving emblem! ... interesting to see the photo evidence from different eras. Thanks to everyone who contributed to my original question/assumption. Railway modelling often proves to be a bit of a minefield wrt to details and here is another case. Glenn 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted July 17, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 17, 2023 On 15/07/2023 at 17:46, mattingleycustom said: The comparison between the two Evening Star models is interesting. The one thing that stands out is the placing of the late crest on the tender side. Photos of the real thing in BR service shows the late crest where it is on the Bachmann model, on the Hornby version it lines it up with the centre axlebox which is incorrect. However apart from this and the usual bright metal tyres and buffers (which applies to all Hornby models), IMHO the Hornby model is the superior model ... ... and please make a model of 92245! Glenn It should be even better when Hornby deliver the promised shorter replacement coupling bar for the tender.Though at least one who made that promise last October is no longer with the company so I’m not holding my breath . 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black 5 Bear Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 32 minutes ago, Ian Hargrave said: It should be even better when Hornby deliver the promised shorter replacement coupling bar for the tender.Though at least one who made that promise last October is no longer with the company so I’m not holding my breath . Indeed Ian, The next release 9f with the Westinghouse pump has by all accounts, the latest close coupling system and is 21 pin DCC ready, so the replacement coupling may well not happen. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted July 17, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 17, 2023 11 minutes ago, Black 5 Bear said: Indeed Ian, The next release 9f with the Westinghouse pump has by all accounts, the latest close coupling system and is 21 pin DCC ready, so the replacement coupling may well not happen. Thanks for that.I’m assuming that it will be the same plug in system used in the new release Dublo A4’s.Thus the “fix” for the first release 9F’s isn’t going to happen .Disappointing as IMHO the gap downgrades the model. At least the Bachmann version,crude though it undoubtedly is,can be shortened to a more realistic distance. I’m not indulging in surgery to shorten the Hornby bar. 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie K Posted July 17, 2023 Share Posted July 17, 2023 17 minutes ago, Ian Hargrave said: Thanks for that.I’m assuming that it will be the same plug in system used in the new release Dublo A4’s.Thus the “fix” for the first release 9F’s isn’t going to happen .Disappointing as IMHO the gap downgrades the model. At least the Bachmann version,crude though it undoubtedly is,can be shortened to a more realistic distance. I’m not indulging in surgery to shorten the Hornby bar. Perhaps try one of these? No personal connection, just a satisfied customer. https://westhillwagonworks.com/locomotive-parts/42-loco-tender-drawbars-for-Hornby-9f-2022-release-only-pack-of-3.html 1 1 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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