Olive_Green1923 Posted November 26, 2022 Share Posted November 26, 2022 (edited) On 12/11/2022 at 14:03, RFS said: As the delivery is still marked for "Late Autumn" I asked Rails whether they had a delivery date yet, and this was their response - "The Dapol D1 models are still due to be released towards the end of this year and we're currently awaiting confirmation of their arrival date into stock." Spoke to the Dapol guys today at Warley and they said it’s March/April. Unfortunately they didn’t have any of the new samples on display. Edited November 26, 2022 by Mizuno57 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chuffed 1 Posted January 2, 2023 Share Posted January 2, 2023 (edited) On 05/03/2022 at 13:20, Venator said: I do wonder how many of us in 1:76 scale would notice many of the dimensional differences. All I was trying to say is an E1 isn't a million miles away from a D1, whilst yes of course there are some differences like the cab and splasher positions. But then I'm the sort of person that didn't really care about Heljan's 33 having a slightly incorrect roof angle, or the Hornby 4VEP corridor being 0.00000000001mm out of scale. Been looking at this over Xmas. There’s not a lot in it to convert one to t’other. Above the running plate the power plant’s the same, as far as I can make out, despite the g/a*in Maidment, the E1 front drivers are 3” further forward and the rear 3” back. The E1 cab is 3” less deep, and of course the 2” lesser driver diameter on the E1’s. I reckon it would be worth acquiring a late D1 and building a Gibson S&D 2P chassis with the 6’6” drivers and fully motorised etc., Then bite the bullet (!), replace the splashers, cut-and-shut the cab and the job would be a good un’! Probably little more expensive than buying, building, painting and lining a PDK kit and a lot less faff! * TBF, there is possibility that the front driver- rear bogie wheel centres are the same distance apart, but that the E1 bogie is 3” further forward. Certainly the bogie guard irons seem almost proud of the buffer beam on the E1. Edited January 2, 2023 by Chuffed 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 13 hours ago, Chuffed 1 said: ... the E1 front drivers are 3” further forward and the rear 3” back. ... All dimensions from the front to the leading drivers are identical - then the E/E1 have a 6'' longer coupled wheelbase than the D/D1 and 3'' shorter rear overhang ..... so 3'' longer overall. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 2 hours ago, Wickham Green too said: All dimensions from the front to the leading drivers are identical - then the E/E1 have a 6'' longer coupled wheelbase than the D/D1 and 3'' shorter rear overhang ..... so 3'' longer overall. In the old days, the difference of 1mm would not have bothered people much. These days, it demands practically an entire new tooling suite for a new class. The D1 was announced February last year, so I wonder if we will see a new announcement for E etc.... There are six 4-4-0 SECR classes which made in sufficient numbers to BR class, D, D1, E, E1, L and L1 (the latter appearing in SR days but derived from L). So one class a year???? 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 Can we have a B1/F1 too please - twenty five in total made it to B.R. 🙃 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big James Posted January 3, 2023 Share Posted January 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Wickham Green too said: Can we have a B1/F1 too please - twenty five in total made it to B.R. 🙃 I would love up see them to. I think it would be OO Works who are the most likely to produce them. Big James 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gilwell Park Posted January 6, 2023 Share Posted January 6, 2023 The only way I could tell a D1 from an E1 was the coupling rods. D1 are plain, E1 fluted. I couldn't distinguish a 6" difference in wheel base then and certainly can't distinguish a difference of 2mm now. Roger Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted January 7, 2023 Share Posted January 7, 2023 If the two locos are buffered up nose-to-nose you should see that the D1 has a deeper running plate. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PeterStiles Posted January 30, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 30, 2023 On 03/01/2023 at 13:01, JSpencer said: There are six 4-4-0 SECR classes which made in sufficient numbers to BR class, D, D1, E, E1, L and L1 (the latter appearing in SR days but derived from L). So one class a year???? yeah, but we really don't care about the 4-4-0s and want a Maunsell Z :) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted January 30, 2023 Share Posted January 30, 2023 1 hour ago, PeterStiles said: yeah, but we really don't care about the 4-4-0s and want a Maunsell Z :) I want them all..... 2 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted January 31, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 31, 2023 18 hours ago, PeterStiles said: yeah, but we really don't care about the 4-4-0s and want a Maunsell Z :) The Z was an interesting loco, of course, but it seldom went far beyond station or yard limits. The 4-4-0s were visible over many miles of the Southern, from Ramsgate to Reading and more. Which is likely to sell better? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PeterStiles Posted January 31, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 31, 2023 36 minutes ago, Oldddudders said: but it seldom went far beyond station or yard limits So - perfect for a shunting plank or a terminus+fiddle yard! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jenny Emily Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 5 hours ago, Oldddudders said: The Z was an interesting loco, of course, but it seldom went far beyond station or yard limits. The 4-4-0s were visible over many miles of the Southern, from Ramsgate to Reading and more. Which is likely to sell better? Given the recent successes of quirky oddball prototypes in model form, I’d wager the Z would, to be honest. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted January 31, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 31, 2023 5 hours ago, PeterStiles said: So - perfect for a shunting plank or a terminus+fiddle yard! Yes, but it needs to have a reason for using Z rather than lesser tank locos, of which the Southern inherited a glittering array from the Pre-Group companies. Banking between the Exeters was where I saw them. 1 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted January 31, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 31, 2023 On 03/01/2023 at 15:47, Big James said: I would love up see them to. I think it would be OO Works who are the most likely to produce them. Big James This is surely low hanging fruit,it being in the keep of the NRM ? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wickham Green too Posted January 31, 2023 Share Posted January 31, 2023 OOOOH ! ..................... where've they been hiding a B1/F1 all these years ??!?. 😕 Or was it the Z you were referring to - that ALMOST got into the National Collection ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rembrow Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 Update on progress posted on Rails website today. Production is well advanced but delayed by Covid. The latest estimate is completion of production in April with delivery in June. 2 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big James Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 I would want them here sooner but I’m happy as it gives me more time to save up for a second 1 big james 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack P Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 Link to update for those who (like me) are lazy: https://railsofsheffield.com/blogs/news/new-samples-secr-maunsell-d1-class-4-4-0-steam-locomotive 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted February 9, 2023 Share Posted February 9, 2023 They are bound to arrive while I'm on holiday! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold franciswilliamwebb Posted February 9, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 9, 2023 1 minute ago, JSpencer said: They are bound to arrive while I'm on holiday! If you can afford to go on holiday you're not buying enough trains 😉 1 1 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 7 hours ago, Big James said: I would want them here sooner but I’m happy as it gives me more time to save up for a second 1 big james I have been hesitant about getting Dapol locos with sound because the premium for sound is higher than that for other manufacturers. However, after getting my paws on a Manor with sound, I’ve been impressed enough to pay the extra. All the same, the delay is welcome! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 10 hours ago, franciswilliamwebb said: If you can afford to go on holiday you're not buying enough trains 😉 I would prefer to buy more trains than go on holiday. Unfortunately my family disagrees...😉 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted February 10, 2023 Share Posted February 10, 2023 10 hours ago, JSpencer said: I would prefer to buy more trains than go on holiday. Unfortunately my family disagrees...😉 The rotters! 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tramshed Posted February 11, 2023 Share Posted February 11, 2023 On 10/02/2023 at 07:35, JSpencer said: I would prefer to buy more trains than go on holiday. Unfortunately my family disagrees...😉 Look at it this way. The holiday is probably cheaper than a divorce. At least this way, JSpencer gets to keep the D1! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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