Hornby Turbomotive

[Pete the Elaner]

On 28/09/2023 at 10:43, The Stationmaster said:

Havea look further up the page where there is a visdeo with sound of the engine the technology was based on.  In essence it is simple - the exhaust note will be continuous because there are no 'chuffs' in the usual manner of a steam engine.

 

I've seen the sound described as a fairly constant hiss along with a whine which becomes audible at around 15mph & raises in pitch as the loco goes faster.

This sounds pretty consistent with a modern turbojet, which has some similarities.

[adb968008]

6 hours ago, The Stationmaster said:

And the ECS is on the Up Fast passing over Bushey troughs.  S I wonder if it was trial run yo see how the reverse turbine fared over a distance?   The photographer must have been 'in the know'.

Why was Bushey not ballasted ?

In that picture the track is packed in with sleepers.

 

this 1898 video shows the troughs ballasted (first few mins)

https://player.eyefilm.nl/en/films/the-brilliant-biograph

 

by WW1 they were wood packed (all images flickr urls/ not mine)

 

They stayed that way into the 1960’s (theres no pictures on flickr of Bushey between 1964 and 1978 by which time it was ballasted, but as you see it survived electrification)

 

 

 

Edited September 30, 2023 by adb968008

[sandwich station]

13 hours ago, JSpencer said:

 

My Duchess of Sutherland has working lamps.

 

So does The Duchess of Abercorn which was the following model.

[1BCamden]

On 29/09/2023 at 00:39, adb968008 said:

 

So this weighs in at over 500g its a lot heavier than the other Princess models from Hornby, indeed its quite heavy for a rtr steam loco in general and this will have no issues with haulage… its similar weight to models like the Dapol Western and Hattons 66.

 

very smooth runner, on start up it moves at 0.02amp and maxes at 0.2amp with a great range of smooth speed control.

Hornbys made this model exceptionally well done.

 

I like the working lights, a bit of a flicker on DC.

 

 

 

 

one points a little contentious is the footplate, the footplate looks a standard backhead, I understood 6202 was fairly unique with 6 nozzles to control flow..

The tender has removable coal, and looks better loaded / sized / aligned than others in the past..

 

firebox flicker glow included..

and working lamp on the tender (both red and white).

look how crisp the printing is on the plates..

 

i’m also not sure about double reds in reverse

 

but this is a model I dont think anyone predicted to be on the horizon.

 

Really impressed with this, the livery is spot on, I love the shade matches 6231 made a few years ago, which I paint matched to a paint chip I have from a piece of railwayana. Mine will be sitting along side it.

 

So thats 3 top jobs Hornbys produced in steam of late.. the 9F, P2 and now this.. roll on the 2MT, Hornbys in the lead as far as steam goes imo, though their are definite challengers circling.

 

The parts bag includes a conversion kit to standard cylinder form.. (sorry only kidding to see if your still reading) … 

The parts bag has fireman and driver, includes front steps, front drawbar and shackle additionally includes 1 additional lamp, which can be fitted to the smokebox door (but no spare lamp irons if you want to remove the express headcode position lamps).

 

All I can say is more like this… 

At last, some facts, and value adding comments, unlike some in this thread to date. Thanks so much for taking the time to photo the retail version, and providing this ad hoc review.
Also, thanks for the follow up strip down and lighting information.

Mine is on its way too.

Edited October 1, 2023 by 1BCamden

[zr2498]

For information.

 

 

[smr248]

10 hours ago, adb968008 said:

Why was Bushey not ballasted ?

In that picture the track is packed in with sleepers.

 

this 1898 video shows the troughs ballasted (first few mins)

https://player.eyefilm.nl/en/films/the-brilliant-biograph

 

by WW1 they were wood packed (all images flickr urls/ not mine)

 

They stayed that way into the 1960’s (theres no pictures on flickr of Bushey between 1964 and 1978 by which time it was ballasted, but as you see it survived electrification)

 

 

 

 

I imagine that Bushey was ballasted.  I think that the timber was there on top to stop the trains being shot blasted by bits of ballast thrown up by the force of the water.

[Chris Turnbull]

14 hours ago, Pete the Elaner said:

 

I've seen the sound described as a fairly constant hiss along with a whine which becomes audible at around 15mph & raises in pitch as the loco goes faster.

This sounds pretty consistent with a modern turbojet, which has some similarities.

 

That's exactly what this working Gauge One model of Turbomotive sounds like.  Built by Werner Jeggli it is seen here running on the East Anglia Group's track on 4th September this year during a visit by our Swiss colleagues.

 

 

Chris Turnbull

Edited October 1, 2023 by Chris Turnbull

[smr248]

Chris - this is live steam?  That's impressive - just wondering how he made the turbine(s)?

[Chris Turnbull]

Yes it is.  Butane fired, 60 PSI (4 bar).  The sound is spot on to that described.  Werner wrote an article for the G1MRA Newsletter & Journal and I'll see if I can post a copy on this thread.

 

Chris Turnbull

Edited October 1, 2023 by Chris Turnbull

[smr248]

Chris - this is live steam?  That's impressive - just wondering how he made the turbine(s)?

[smr248]

OK, there's a fair amount on the web, including videos of it running (with sound) and even a book.  It uses a Tesla turbine so, I assume, this is hidden between the frames.

[Chris Turnbull]

Here's a link to some YouTube footage of it running.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CTsq1Kz87s

 

Chris Turnbull

 

[dagrizz]

4 hours ago, Chris Turnbull said:

 

That's exactly what this working Gauge One model of Turbomotive sounds like.  Built by Werner Jeggli it is seen here running on the East Anglia Group's track on 4th September this year during a visit by our Swiss colleagues.

 

 

Chris Turnbull

 

I seem to remember that David Jenkinson had a Gauge 1 Turbomotive model. Is this the same beast or another one?

 

Graham

[Chris Turnbull]

51 minutes ago, dagrizz said:

 

I seem to remember that David Jenkinson had a Gauge 1 Turbomotive model. Is this the same beast or another one?

 

 

David died in 2004 and this is far more recent so it must be another one.

 

Chris Turnbull

[1BCamden]

On 01/10/2023 at 20:05, smr248 said:

 

I imagine that Bushey was ballasted.  I think that the timber was there on top to stop the trains being shot blasted by bits of ballast thrown up by the force of the water.

Quite right, regarding the ballasting, however the timbering would have served a number of purposes, firstly to prevent/mitigate ballast undermining from the large quantities of trough water ‘wash’ it would be exposed to every day, the timber would distribute the ‘wash’ evenly across the area, and to the cess drains. Secondly these water troughs required constant maintenance, these timbers would have delivered sound footing for permanent way gangs.

[MikeParkin65]

On 01/10/2023 at 09:10, zr2498 said:

For information.

 

 

Not commenting on the accuracy but this has the potential to be the single most annoying sound project to date. Domestic authorities have expressed a 'firm view' when I played the clip last night 🤣 

[Legend]

1 hour ago, MikeParkin65 said:

Not commenting on the accuracy but this has the potential to be the single most annoying sound project to date. Domestic authorities have expressed a 'firm view' when I played the clip last night 🤣 

Yep . Think that could easily get on my nerves 

[cctransuk]

14 minutes ago, Legend said:

Yep . Think that could easily get on my nerves 

 

It just did!!!

 

CJI.

[Bulleidboy100]

Simple remedy - don't run it with sound😀

[NBL]

2 hours ago, MikeParkin65 said:

Not commenting on the accuracy but this has the potential to be the single most annoying sound project to date. Domestic authorities have expressed a 'firm view' when I played the clip last night 🤣 

It's worse than full volume class 20's on the next layout at an exhibition, but not as bad as the US layout on the other side with the bells dinging all day at full volume!!!!

[MikeParkin65]

39 minutes ago, NBL said:

It's worse than full volume class 20's on the next layout at an exhibition, but not as bad as the US layout on the other side with the bells dinging all day at full volume!!!!

Agree - up until now 20's and 40's have been the worst (and least used up here in the attic as a result!). I'm sure Digitrains (and Hornby which I havrn't heard yet) have done their research but the footage of the Swedish loco up thread sounded a lot less jet like - I wonder what Digitrains have used for the sound source.

[RedgateModels]

1 hour ago, NBL said:

It's worse than full volume class 20's on the next layout at an exhibition, but not as bad as the US layout on the other side with the bells dinging all day at full volume!!!!

 

or the video trader running his US railroad videos all weekend - ding, ding, ding, ding, ding, ding ......

[1BCamden]

Daniel Kelham, of the LMS Modelling Society on Facebook posted some great 6202 and 6201 running footage on the Dewsbury Midland layout. There is also a 16sec clip with sound, which is perfect.
 

https://www.facebook.com/groups/1377846428917638/permalink/6640420405993521/?mibextid=W9rl1R

 

Definitely worth a look if your a member, or joining if you’re not.

Edited October 4, 2023 by 1BCamden

[On30runner]

On 01/10/2023 at 13:26, smr248 said:

OK, there's a fair amount on the web, including videos of it running (with sound) and even a book.  It uses a Tesla turbine so, I assume, this is hidden between the frames.

 

It isn't a Tesla. Werner actually machined an impulse bladed turbine for it. Drawings are available in his book from G1MRA.

Edited October 4, 2023 by On30runner

[On30runner]

On 01/10/2023 at 17:46, Chris Turnbull said:

 

David died in 2004 and this is far more recent so it must be another one.

 

Chris Turnbull

Correct. David's model was battery powered.

 

There is a third G1 Turbomotive built by Peter McCabe which I own the remains of. It is basically a complete chassis. The tender and boiler were liberated to build, and I am not making this up, Princess Anne by Michael Wrottesley.