montyburns56 Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 I've previously posted a load of pictures of some of the Barclay (and others) Fireless locos here... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wheatley Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 15 hours ago, The Johnster said: There is some industry besides the colliery, but nothing that would justify a loco, never mind a fireless ... but this doesn’t present a fire or food contamination list. Doesn't need to have a fire or food contamination risk, it just needs to have enough high pressure steam available to make that more attractive than having to buy in coal. Admittedly I'm struggling to think of anything smaller than a power station where that might apply ! I will be having one of these. I have no need of one but it was my first attempt at scratchbuilding a loco 40 years ago. 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 As I posted earlier in the thread NCB Manvers Main had a fireless locomotive. Different type, but there is a option that isn't totally Rule One. Here's another view of it. https://www.flickr.com/photos/glevumblues/8638532134/in/photolist-eamJDd-c3Qdn9 Jason 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold SHMD Posted February 11 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 11 A fireless loco is not really a "contamination risk". It's the "air" it's working in that has to take president. Obviously oil, petrochemicals, munitions factories pose such a risk but factories with high levels of "airborne" dust pose just as much as an explosive atmosphere - such as tissue paper mills and flour mills. (Even coal dust is dangerous.) These are VERY explosive! Fireless locos are also an advantage when there is a (seemingly) "free" source of high pressure boiling water - such as power stations. then they become "convenient", clean and cheap to run. Kev. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mol_PMB Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 There are some still working for a living in Germany, even now. 1 2 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted February 11 Share Posted February 11 2 hours ago, SHMD said: A fireless loco is not really a "contamination risk". It's the "air" it's working in that has to take president. Obviously oil, petrochemicals, munitions factories pose such a risk but factories with high levels of "airborne" dust pose just as much as an explosive atmosphere - such as tissue paper mills and flour mills. (Even coal dust is dangerous.) These are VERY explosive! Fireless locos are also an advantage when there is a (seemingly) "free" source of high pressure boiling water - such as power stations. then they become "convenient", clean and cheap to run. Kev. I think he meant normal locomotives being a contamination risk. Huntley & Palmers used one to go into the factory but the normal locomotives were banned. Unfortunately not a Barclay, but a Bagnall. https://preservedbritishsteamlocomotives.com/w-g-bagnall-works-no-2473-huntley-palmer-no-2-0-4-0f/ Jason 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fredo Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 Hi, Saw the announcement, which of the models will be suitable for the period 1958-61.Thanks Fred Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mol_PMB Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 16 minutes ago, Fredo said: Hi, Saw the announcement, which of the models will be suitable for the period 1958-61.Thanks Fred The entire class (listed in the post linked below) were in service during this period, so potentially any of them. However, the more dramatic liveries (white, yellow) belong to a slightly later period. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
64F Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 On 11/02/2024 at 05:56, Sir Roland Matthews said: As Rapido are in Kent, did the team use the loco preserved at Kemsley Down as a source of measurements, No 1 of 1924? I understand they may have used AB1952/1928, which is in working condition at the Doon Valley Railway. 965004 and 965007 appear to represent that locomotive. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 03060 Posted February 12 RMweb Premium Share Posted February 12 As usual ... late to the party ... despite carrying my BRM showguide around all Sat afternoon and supposedly 'reading' the contents on Sun I failed to pick up on this very welcome news until this morning ! 965006 a definite for me and one other yet to be decided as I've loved these little locos for years and have enjoyed watching the clips that people have posted. Not used at the place I am basing a little shunting puzzle project on but as my version will be under a different name I can easily make room for the fireless locos as they were used in the same industry elsewhere. Looking forward to these arriving. Well done Rapido. Regards, Ian. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve1 Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 On 11/02/2024 at 14:37, Neil said: Yes, spot on. They also do a beefier six coupled version. I suppose this demonstrates that there should be a healthy market for a UK fireless loco. And very nice they are too. steve 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted February 12 Share Posted February 12 From the Steel Company of Wales a proposed one for Abbey Works. 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Nick C Posted February 13 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 13 On 10/02/2024 at 12:26, Mol_PMB said: On 10/02/2024 at 13:55, Ruston said: The only question is which livery to choose... I reckon a yellow one weathered like the above, to your excellent standards, would look fantastic. Complete with the traffic cone, obviously... 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halvarras Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 On 11/02/2024 at 22:31, Steamport Southport said: I think he meant normal locomotives being a contamination risk. Huntley & Palmers used one to go into the factory but the normal locomotives were banned. Unfortunately not a Barclay, but a Bagnall. https://preservedbritishsteamlocomotives.com/w-g-bagnall-works-no-2473-huntley-palmer-no-2-0-4-0f/ Jason Thank you Jason, this answers the question I had about a fireless loco I saw (and photographed I think) at GWS Didcot in late 1972, before I got around to asking it! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jammy2305 Posted February 13 Share Posted February 13 On 11/02/2024 at 14:30, rapidoandy said: Hi James. I dont have the source here but believe Gamma was delivered in blue lined black and yelllow - but with the Colmans bull on the nose. We have used this as the basis of 965002 both physically and the livery. Excellent, thank you! - James Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold JamFjord Posted February 14 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 14 So, apparently this was the second poorly kept secret from Doncaster and before that went completely over my head (the first being Warley>Warner). I blame the efficiency of the door staff keeping the queue moving which meant I didn't get time to read the show special issue of BRM. In any case I couldn't be happier about this announcement - a Barclay Fireless has been on my wishlist for some time. There's a pretty good chance I'll be getting more than one. It's also good news from the perspective that it saves me ruining one of my Hattons AB in my (probably ill-fated) quest to recreate Heysham No 2 https://ribblesteam.org.uk/exhibits/steam/andrew-barclay-1950-1928-heysham-no-2/ That was never going to end well... 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium RapidoCorbs Posted February 16 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 16 (edited) Pre-order is now available from us or any of our retailers. https://rapidotrains.co.uk/caledonia-fireless-0-4-0/ RRP for DC/Silent £139.95 RRP for DCC Sound-Fitted £249.95 Edited February 16 by RapidoCorbs 9 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RateTheFreight Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 If I wanted to purchase one to base (loosely given there isn’t an exact model yet) on the Colman Mustard works ‘Gamma’ would I be best plumping for the ‘Caledonia Blue’ version or ‘yellow’ (appreciating this represents a Shell livery) or one of the others? They all look delightful. G Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium RapidoCorbs Posted February 16 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 16 1 minute ago, RateTheFreight said: If I wanted to purchase one to base (loosely given there isn’t an exact model yet) on the Colman Mustard works ‘Gamma’ would I be best plumping for the ‘Caledonia Blue’ version or ‘yellow’ (appreciating this represents a Shell livery) or one of the others? They all look delightful. G Thank you, the team is very pleased with the design so far. The blue one is effectively 'Gamma' without the name or the logo on the nose :) 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JShow Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 When is Rapido hoping these will be in our eager hands? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RateTheFreight Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 Thanks for confirming; pre-order duly placed. Now I just need to track down a rake of the Hornby Colman coal wagons and we’re in business for a smart industrial micro! The Caledonian blue will likely be joined by a stable mate too. G Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium RapidoCorbs Posted February 16 Author RMweb Premium Share Posted February 16 34 minutes ago, JShow said: When is Rapido hoping these will be in our eager hands? We get asked this all the time and it's difficult to answer. Within the next 18 months is what we would hope. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted February 16 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 16 5 minutes ago, RapidoCorbs said: We get asked this all the time and it's difficult to answer. Within the next 18 months is what we would hope. Popped in my local on the way home and ordered two :) 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapidoTom Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 On 11/02/2024 at 05:56, Sir Roland Matthews said: As Rapido are in Kent, did the team use the loco preserved at Kemsley Down as a source of measurements, No 1 of 1924? Asking as a former SKLR volunteer 😁 and a big fan of the other fireless loco there, 2ft 6" "Unique" of 1924. Not as our primary source, but it did provide some very useful photos of the reducing valve, seen in front of the cab - they were always covered on the historic photos! We also had works drawings for a number of locos, and photo surveyed a couple of others at other sites. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
That Model Railway Guy Posted February 16 Share Posted February 16 My thanks to all at Rapido for letting me in on the secret and allowing me to film some close up shots of the 3D printed samples: 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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