RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted May 18, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 18, 2013 (edited) Hi Ian, A bit too early to jump in with that I. Think. We had orders for 508, and had 500 made (interestingly that not a bad ratio regarding making what we can sell, I'm sure you'll agree). ........... Comparing Dapol supply to Hornby recent supply in this until the matter is figured out and reported back here on Monday is a tad premature. Can I ask you an honest question? What 'if' just 'if' and not saying they have, your trusted supplier is incorrect? What then? Cheers Dave Some of us do know of one retailer who does - how shall I put it? - give out slightly 'misleading' information which tends to put the manufacturer on the spot when in fact the retailer would seem to have taken more customer orders or have indicated potentially great availability than the number they ordered from the manufacturer (or have made sure they will get by paying their bills on time?). Edited May 21, 2013 by Andy Y 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torr Giffard LSWR 1951-71 Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 ...sounds like 'name and shame' is the way to go Mike. Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BRealistic Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 (edited) Thankfully, and on a positive note, the maroon one I collected this morning from my local shop doesn't have the wobbles. Edited May 18, 2013 by BRealistic Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted May 18, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 18, 2013 Hi Ian, A bit too early to jump in with that I. Think. We had orders for 508, and had 500 made (interestingly that not a bad ratio regarding making what we can sell, I'm sure you'll agree). ............... Comparing Dapol supply to Hornby recent supply in this until the matter is figured out and reported back here on Monday is a tad premature. Can I ask you an honest question? What 'if' just 'if' and not saying they have, your trusted supplier is incorrect? What then? Cheers Dave No....not a comparison.You can't compare a minnow with an elephant,anyway. Whomsoever the manufacturer,the end result is the same,I'm afraid.I have experienced this with 3 different Dapol stockists and not just one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapolDave Posted May 18, 2013 Share Posted May 18, 2013 Hi Ian, Your saying that you've ordered 3 Dapol models from 3 different stockists and didn't get 1 model? Can you clarify for me please? Cheers Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ian Hargrave Posted May 18, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 18, 2013 Hi Ian, Your saying that you've ordered 3 Dapol models from 3 different stockists and didn't get 1 model? Can you clarify for me please? Cheers Dave I've just posted you,Dave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy1963 Posted May 19, 2013 Share Posted May 19, 2013 My maroon western arrived from Hattons on Friday, stunning model, haven't run it yet because I've taken my layout apart. Even wife thinks it's stunning. It's been a long wait, but worthwhile. Even the box is beautiful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapolDave Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 (edited) Hi guys, As promised here is my synopsis regarding the problems Ian has been having with getting hold of Dapol models and the current situation regarding Western Deliveries ....... Ian PM'd me off list a list of 3 stockists who he attempted to get models from over the last couple of years with no joy. (not necessarily Western Related) Out of prudency I will not name name's but here is the basic answers I gave Ian to his list of 3; 1) This stockist was supplied in full and subsequently sold his mail order customer orders to new turn up and buy customers at a show, then proceeded to come to Dapol for more stock to fill his mail orders (we had none) 2) Ditto the second stockist, but we have no record of being approached to re-supply with more stock and so didn't. 3) This stockist falls into the "Have ordered & are in good standing" category, as they have ordered. For completeness, and not naming names again, the current supply situation is this, and this is correct as of 09.47 this morning; 2 x orders will be going out today (they missed Friday), and apart from the stockist in point 3 above, another 13 stockists fall into the "Have ordered & are in good standing" category, where they have ordered. I hope this helps clear things up. cheers Dave Edited May 21, 2013 by Andy Y Content amended pending offline discussion Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Icknieldrobin Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 (edited) Hi guys, As promised here is my synopsis regarding the problems Ian has been having with getting hold of Dapol models and the current situation regarding Western Deliveries ....... Ian PM'd me off list a list of 3 stockists who he attempted to get models from over the last couple of years with no joy. (not necessarily Western Related) Out of prudency I will not name name's but here is the basic answers I gave Ian to his list of 3; 1) This stockist was supplied in full and subsequently sold his mail order customer orders to new turn up and buy customers at a show, then proceeded to come to Dapol for more stock to fill his mail orders (we had none) 2) Ditto the second stockist, but we have no record of being approached to re-supply with more stock and so didn't. 3) This stockist falls into the "Have ordered & are in good standing" category, as they have ordered. For completeness, and not naming names again, the current supply situation is this, and this is correct as of 09.47 this morning; 2 x orders will be going out today (they missed Friday), and apart from the stockist in point 3 above, another 13 stockists fall into the "Have ordered & are in good standing" category, where they have ordered. I hope this helps clear things up. cheers Dave Dave The good news from this update is your reference to we are not producing any more until the next batch around late this year / early next, and these will be different product codes and names/numbers. I have spoken to my local model shop this morning who have told me they have insufficient to meet their orders..expect a call tomorrow!!. Patience is said to be a virtue so I'll save my pennies and await the second batch. Maroon SYFP please. Doug Edited May 21, 2013 by Andy Y Quoted content removed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
railroadbill Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 Thanks very much for the heads up, Dave. I now have the info to go back to Hattons and find out what they propose to do with my pre-order, now 14 months old. ........ Thanks to posters on this thread I now know of a couple of dealers who still have this version. As you said, Dave, there are Dapol 52s out there so I should be able to get one this time around, .......... I'll pm you about the situation. Great customer care from yourself, Dave, that's Dapol and RMweb 12 points, ............ (Eurovision joke). Bill Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coppercap Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 (edited) Last week, my local stockist's website listings for Dapol Westerns was a bit of a mess in that the loco numbers/names/catalogue numbers didn't match other stockist's listing, so I wasn't sure what was what, therefore I didn't get round to pre-ordering. Once they arrived in stock later in the week, the website was updated and matched other's listings, but showed only 3 in stock when I looked..........and unfortunately, the price had gone up a fair bit. Hey ho. So after reading this thread regarding the shortage, on Saturday morning I bought their last but one maroon SYP one (Legionaire) 'off the shelf', and they were all sold by Saturday evening! Edited May 20, 2013 by Coppercap Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy1963 Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 Dave The good news from this update is your reference to we are not producing any more until the next batch around late this year / early next, and these will be different product codes and names/numbers. I have spoken to my local model shop this morning who have told me they have insufficient to meet their orders..expect a call tomorrow!!. Patience is said to be a virtue so I'll save my pennies and await the second batch. Maroon SYFP please. Doug My understanding is that the Western Locomotive Association have not sold out of their 1062 Western Courier limited edition which is in maroon with small yellow warning panel. I don't believe they have received there order yet, and they are asking a high price compared with the standard loco's, but if you don't want to wait.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Free At Last Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 Hi guys, As promised here is my synopsis regarding the problems Ian has been having with getting hold of Dapol models and the current situation regarding Western Deliveries >snip> Ian PM'd me off list a list of 3 stockists who he attempted to get models from over the last couple of years with no joy. (not necessarily Western Related) cheers Dave Hi Dave, can you give any more info on these two Westerns, product code etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
D1056WesternSultan Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 My understanding is that the Western Locomotive Association have not sold out of their 1062 Western Courier limited edition which is in maroon with small yellow warning panel. I don't believe they have received there order yet, and they are asking a high price compared with the standard loco's, but if you don't want to wait.... It's not that expensive when you consider that all of the detailing parts including the roof lifting eyes and the nameplates are fitted. ALSO I understand that profits from the sale of D1062 will go to the WLA and not a retailers pocket. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapolDave Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 Hi Dave, can you give any more info on these two Westerns, product code etc. sorry not sure I understand with the OP message included. can you clarify for me please? cheers Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy1963 Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 It's not that expensive when you consider that all of the detailing parts including the roof lifting eyes and the nameplates are fitted. ALSO I understand that profits from the sale of D1062 will go to the WLA and not a retailers pocket. Wasn't being critical of the WLA price, just stating that they are more expensive. Except the additional parts and nameplates fitted and as a WLA member, I consider it a great cause. Link to WLA site below.. http://westernloco.com/sales/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torr Giffard LSWR 1951-71 Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 Evenin' all, D1029 the wobbly Western is no more...the Ultrascale P4 conversion obviously involved the removal/replacement of all original wheels. This rectified the problem. Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torr Giffard LSWR 1951-71 Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 (edited) Evenin' all, D1029 the wobbly Western is no more...the Ultrascale P4 conversion obviously included the removal/replacement of all original wheels. The wobble has gone. Dave Edited May 20, 2013 by Torr Giffard LSWR 1951-71 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulcbuk Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 Evenin' all, D1029 the wobbly Western is no more...the Ultrascale P4 conversion obviously involved the removal/replacement of all original wheels. This rectified the problem. Dave Hi Dave I'll be very interested to know how well the Western runs with a straight wheel swap to P4. The leading axle on each bogie seems very light and I'm worried about how well it will hold the track with the very rigid bogie, rear-biased loading and small flanges! I'm trying to work out the best way to spring it and centre the pivot. The latter is easy, the former less so! Cheers Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulcbuk Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 By the way, considering the grief that people seem to be having trying to find stock, I'm a little surprised that Trains4U's eBay shop is still showing six Legionaires available at less than Dapol's shop price. (No connection, although I have bought from them in the past.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torr Giffard LSWR 1951-71 Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 Hi Dave I'll be very interested to know how well the Western runs with a straight wheel swap to P4. The leading axle on each bogie seems very light and I'm worried about how well it will hold the track with the very rigid bogie, rear-biased loading and small flanges! I'm trying to work out the best way to spring it and centre the pivot. The latter is easy, the former less so! Cheers Paul Hi Paul, The levelled track on TG is some way off yet but the mock up illustrated on my thread with P4 flexitrack placed on unlevelled cork and a loco which hasn't even got the bottom plate fitted on the bogies posed no problems at all. No derailments and no issues. P4 wheelsets clipped straight in...10 min job max. Dave Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsetan Posted May 20, 2013 Share Posted May 20, 2013 By the way, considering the grief that people seem to be having trying to find stock, I'm a little surprised that Trains4U's eBay shop is still showing six Legionaires available at less than Dapol's shop price. (No connection, although I have bought from them in the past.) Yes, I saw that. Does that stock actually exist? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulcbuk Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 Yes, I saw that. Does that stock actually exist? Now that I can't answer. I did get caught once (by a different seller) who just wanted to "borrow" my money for a while, but as Trains4U are a bricks and mortar shop I would hope they would be above that sort of thing. I guess the way to find out would be for some of the people here who didn't get one against their pre-order to try and buy one! I would, if I needed another... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulcbuk Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 Hi Paul, The levelled track on TG is some way off yet but the mock up illustrated on my thread with P4 flexitrack placed on unlevelled cork and a loco which hasn't even got the bottom plate fitted on the bogies posed no problems at all. No derailments and no issues. P4 wheelsets clipped straight in...10 min job max. Dave Thanks for that - that's reassuring. Mulling over this again last night, I may go for moving the centre pivot and allowing the bogie to rest on the bearing pads,but leave it rigid. Not sure how well that will work, but it'll be a first step! The Ultrascale wheels are the correct scale diameter so hopefully the ride height will be unaffected by effectively moving the bogie up a smidgen. Not that I've worked it out yet! Cheers Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Torr Giffard LSWR 1951-71 Posted May 21, 2013 Share Posted May 21, 2013 (edited) Mornin' Paul, Please post any mods which you make....I may need to follow a similar route. Cheers Dave [Admin - test edit] Edited May 21, 2013 by Torr Giffard LSWR 1951-71 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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