RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted December 20, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 20, 2014 When the option would be no rod version, due to tooling cost, compared to a small compromise I think enough will live with it to make it worthwhile I think it's proved the potential of industrial prototypes that we so quickly have the retooled chassis, so let's hope this bodes well for tooling design of future models having the options considered to bring the variety we see on the mainline locos. I should think there will also be a lot of happy O16.5 modellers thinking of things to use the chassis under. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rope runner Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Absolutely - but I have a love/hate thing with the attitude to industrials/minor railway/earlier pre-grouping (perhaps LT?). I like that there's more perceived space to compromise, but it rankles when The Mainstream goes into paroxysms of rage over a couple of mm., but it's ok here (or with, say US HO steam). It's a scar to scratch. Back to the plot: could the chassis be used for anything els I was thinking perhaps this style of Thomas Hill https://www.flickr.com/photos/77918006@N03/14996076664/ Perhaps aided with parts from the forthcoming rtmodels TH...? Paul A. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hippo Posted December 20, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 20, 2014 (edited) Having been doing a bit of research this morning I'be noticed the Balfour Beaty 4wDH that Hornby are releasing in 2015 http://www.Hornby.com/shop/new-for-2015/diesel-electric-locomotives-packs/balfour-beatty-4wdh-sentinel.html The real one appears to have strange buffers and had the cab back doors modified... Was it always like this or has it been modified later in its life ? http://www.flickriver.com/photos/69947186@N08/7353963428/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/69947186@N08/7167630467 Thanks Owen Edited December 20, 2014 by Hippo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Dickerson Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 I was thinking perhaps this style of Thomas Hill https://www.flickr.com/photos/77918006@N03/14996076664/ Perhaps aided with parts from the forthcoming rtmodels TH...? Paul A. Thanks, interesting. I was wondering idly if it might be the same wheelbase as the Brush/Bagnall type that appeared on BR as D2999... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Graham_Muz Posted December 20, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 20, 2014 So the question is, do you think Hornby would be bothered enough to alter the tooling for what some may see as "Unnoticeable"? My understanding from a discussion with a member of the Hornby design team is that chassis has already been retooled / corrected in a number of areas since the original release, for example around the axle box area that was originally modelled oversize. The chassis for the rod version again I understand is a new tooling. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dunsignalling Posted December 20, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 20, 2014 So the question is, do you think Hornby would be bothered enough to alter the tooling for what some may see as "Unnoticeable"? If it's a choice between them doing a rod-coupled Sentinel that's nearly right and not doing it at all, no contest. Without wishing to stir a relatively quiet can of worms, it ill-behoves we OO modellers to criticise any dimensional compromise unless it exceeds 2.33mm! John Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Dickerson Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 If the chassis is new tooling then I await it with interest. Maybe this is The Railroad Model That Made It? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted December 20, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 20, 2014 (edited) Having been doing a bit of research this morning I'be noticed the Balfour Beaty 4wDH that Hornby are releasing in 2015 http://www.Hornby.com/shop/new-for-2015/diesel-electric-locomotives-packs/balfour-beatty-4wdh-sentinel.html The real one appears to have strange buffers and had the cab back doors modified... Was it always like this or has it been modified later in its life ? http://www.flickriver.com/photos/69947186@N08/7353963428/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/69947186@N08/7167630467 Thanks Owen They were originally fitted with sliding cab doors - many have been modified since with hinged cab doors. Although there are some retaining the original sliding doors, but have other mods. For example. The Ribble Steam railway/ex-Preston Docks locos have short fuel tanks, (the short "bonnet") air compressor box on the running plate and thicker ballasted buffer beams. They are in regular use shunting the Lindsey-Preston bitumen train within the docks. "Progress" at Preston. The other docks Sentinels were Energy and Enterprise. Enterprise is still there, but the original Energy was scrapped and has been replaced by another Sentinel that is ex-MSC. Cheers, Mick Edited December 20, 2014 by newbryford Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
25901 Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 Oh yes, the sliding doors. I've tired once to close a Sentnels jamming door and nearly ended up ripping off. Someone I know did and it ended on the running plate for weeks till it was fixed Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 (edited) Having been doing a bit of research this morning I'be noticed the Balfour Beaty 4wDH that Hornby are releasing in 2015 http://www.Hornby.com/shop/new-for-2015/diesel-electric-locomotives-packs/balfour-beatty-4wdh-sentinel.html The real one appears to have strange buffers and had the cab back doors modified... Was it always like this or has it been modified later in its life ? http://www.flickriver.com/photos/69947186@N08/7353963428/ https://www.flickr.com/photos/69947186@N08/7167630467 Thanks Owen May I also point out that on Hornby's representation picture, the frame arrangement/detail does not match the prototype... Along with the positioning of the logos. Edited December 20, 2014 by TTAMTWASOOC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Saunders Posted December 20, 2014 Share Posted December 20, 2014 How does the drawing of the rod drive one in the instructions with the 4w one compare with the current 4w model or are they different models? Mark Saunders Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hippo Posted December 21, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 21, 2014 May I also point out that on Hornby's representation picture, the frame arrangement/detail does not match the prototype... Along with the positioning of the logos. Postioning of the logo's looks right to me. https://www.flickr.com/photos/69947186@N08/7167630467 http://www.Hornby.com/locomotives/diesel-electric-locomotives/dcc-ready-diesel-electric-locomotives/balfour-beatty-4wdh-sentinel.html The Wabtec Sentinel https://www.flickr.com/photos/camperdown/5669601896/in/photolist-dNauSU-czAyoQ-9D1dtb-912RmB-9D1c7Q-9CXfYP-otyLGz-otzaHV-orNVCQ-ocneSn-ddoCKG-pmSTgo-5umgrr also has hinged cab doors, so I do wonder if we will see that on the models. Owen Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 21, 2014 Share Posted December 21, 2014 (edited) Postioning of the logo's looks right to me. https://www.flickr.com/photos/69947186@N08/7167630467 http://www.Hornby.com/locomotives/diesel-electric-locomotives/dcc-ready-diesel-electric-locomotives/balfour-beatty-4wdh-sentinel.html Owen Sorry, I was judging it from this photo: http://www.flickriver.com/photos/69947186@N08/7353963428/ Edited December 21, 2014 by TTAMTWASOOC Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted December 21, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 21, 2014 I'd always thought that they all had hinged doors, all the ones I have seen have hinged doors. Perhaps the sliding doors were replaced early in production because they caused problems? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted December 21, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 21, 2014 The Wabtec Sentinel https://www.flickr.com/photos/camperdown/5669601896/in/photolist-dNauSU-czAyoQ-9D1dtb-912RmB-9D1c7Q-9CXfYP-otyLGz-otzaHV-orNVCQ-ocneSn-ddoCKG-pmSTgo-5umgrr also has hinged cab doors, so I do wonder if we will see that on the models. Owen Sorry, I was judging it from this photo: http://www.flickriver.com/photos/69947186@N08/7353963428/ There are variations in hinged cab doors - some have the "porch" arrangement, whereas the BB doors are more "inset" Cheers, Mick 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leadmill Posted December 24, 2014 Share Posted December 24, 2014 First time on layout. 18 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Down_Under Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 (edited) Hi All, I was not sure if it worth approaching a small supplier (Judith/Mike Edge?) and asking for some etched detail parts for these models? Some of the variations that I spot, that I think would be useful are: One piece etched buffer beam overlay (with curved cut out and angled cut out). Primarily to cover the cut out for the coupler. (Could use filler I guess) Thick buffer beams for the added weight version (e.g. Preston docks) and new lifting eyelets w. hole. Engine Doors - hinged version. Or sliding so that they can be left open, like many seem to be rear (short end) cab doors with hood - like the wabtech example in post #818 https://www.flickr.com/photos/camperdown/5669601896/in/photolist-dNauSU-czAyoQ-9D1dtb-912RmB-9D1c7Q-9CXfYP-otyLGz-otzaHV-orNVCQ-ocneSn-ddoCKG-pmSTgo-5umgrr Extended compressor housing with vents & extra fuel tank? Preston Dock example Buffer overlays. Side window etch of aluminum frame - like the BSC example http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6022/5950218313_fff7360cde_z.jpg Sand box filler - seems some have, some do not. http://www.flickr.com/photos/69947186@N08/7353963428/ One piece side frame to cover the join. (again could use filler) coupling rods (for when the rod version is released Cast sentinel name badges? Hand rail instead of the one piece sides e.g. http://farm9.static.flickr.com/8234/8578870514_e88d9b4f7f_m.jpgalso has hooded or extended rear doors. Not sure what the general interest is. May a post in the small suppliers section? Edited January 7, 2015 by Down_Under Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted January 7, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 7, 2015 Hi All, I was not sure if it worth approaching a small supplier (Judith/Mike Edge?) and asking for some etched detail parts for these models? Some of the variations that I spot, that I think would be useful are: One piece etched buffer beam overlay (with curved cut out and angled cut out). Primarily to cover the cut out for the coupler. (Could use filler I guess) Thick buffer beams for the added weight version (e.g. Preston docks) and new lifting eyelets w. hole. Engine Doors - hinged version. Or sliding so that they can be left open, like many seem to be rear (short end) cab doors with hood - like the wabtech example in post #818 https://www.flickr.com/photos/camperdown/5669601896/in/photolist-dNauSU-czAyoQ-9D1dtb-912RmB-9D1c7Q-9CXfYP-otyLGz-otzaHV-orNVCQ-ocneSn-ddoCKG-pmSTgo-5umgrr Extended compressor housing with vents & extra fuel tank? Preston Dock example Buffer overlays. Side window etch of aluminum frame - like the BSC example http://farm7.staticflickr.com/6022/5950218313_fff7360cde_z.jpg Sand box filler - seems some have, some do not. http://www.flickr.com/photos/69947186@N08/7353963428/ One piece side frame to cover the join. (again could use filler) coupling rods (for when the rod version is released Cast sentinel name badges? Hand rail instead of the one piece sides e.g. http://farm9.static.flickr.com/8234/8578870514_e88d9b4f7f_m.jpgalso has hooded or extended rear doors. Not sure what the general interest is. May a post in the small suppliers section? Branchlines made an etched detailing kit for the Knightwing kit including Sentinel badges and some grills. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rope runner Posted January 7, 2015 Share Posted January 7, 2015 Can anyone confirm if Branchlines still supply this, and whether it can be purchased without the chassis kit conversion? Paul A. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium PhilJ W Posted January 7, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 7, 2015 Can anyone confirm if Branchlines still supply this, and whether it can be purchased without the chassis kit conversion? Paul A. Best to get in touch with Branchlines. The Knightwing kit is no longer made so I think the upgrade kit has ceased. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ELTEL Posted May 19, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 19, 2015 Great thanks - currently browsing the Kent Industrial folder in flicker - magic Can anyone point me in the right direction. I am looking at a small industrial layout using the Hornby Sentinel as the main motive power. What year were they introduced ? Any help or references / photographs would be most welcome. ELTEL 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigherb Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 I am looking at a small industrial layout using the Hornby Sentinel as the main motive power. What year were they introduced ? January 1959 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ELTEL Posted May 19, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 19, 2015 Thanks Where did you find that info as I have searched the internet without success. Eltel Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigherb Posted May 19, 2015 Share Posted May 19, 2015 The book "The Sentinel 1930-1980" by Anthony R & Joseph L Thomas. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ELTEL Posted May 19, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 19, 2015 The book "The Sentinel 1930-1980" by Anthony R & Joseph L Thomas. Cheers Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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