Coombe Barton Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 I'd hazard a guess that fresh infill will be brought to site, rubble is cheap and hardly such a precious commodity that it needs to be reused. And which of the residents of Sea Lawn Terrace would think that , having spent so much on the restoration of the railway, that the road in front of their homes would be skimped for a few quid's worth of infill. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium petethemole Posted March 29, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 29, 2014 I don't think rubble isn't used much for fill under roads any more as it can subside. Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
royaloak Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 Because the line has been out for several weeks is there any element of re-signing for the route for drivers before trains can restart? No it shouldnt, the limit is 6 months so everyone will be well within that. There are quite a few new drivers at Exeter who have learned and been driving the Barnstaple and Exmouth branches who will now have to learn the Paignton route so you will see quite a few driving cabs with 2 (or 3) people in them as the route learning gets going. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coombe Barton Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 Bridge components going 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coombe Barton Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 Granitechops' wall Originally illustrated here http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/81949-washout-at-dawlish/?p=1399277 I've looked and can't find anything in the books I have from tjhis precise area around the washout.and none of them have pix of the area in question. But I do have the 1888 six inch map of the area (I think I also CK has a copy from Wycrail in 2010) and there is no parallel-to-shore structure as shown. The groynes are shown, the more substantial breakwaters are shown, the lieboat and coastguard stations are shown but no structure offshore parallel to the railway. Hence I can only assume it's a later addition. As to what it is, or precisely when it was put the or for what purpose, haven't a clue. But I would be reasonably sure that it's nothing to do with the construction of the line. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 Looks like we have a watchman out on the track to protect a team further down, it's a railway again!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightengine Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 The massed ranks of colas, the fire brigade, NR and other accumylated vehicles are gathering in Teignmouth station carpark in a cordonned works site The massed vans today Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium petethemole Posted March 29, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 29, 2014 The 1933 1/2500 OS map shows a straight line parallel to the shore (on Old maps UK). Not labelled though. Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Dagworth Posted March 29, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 29, 2014 (edited) Does this help? from this page http://www.teignbridge.gov.uk/dawlishtownbeach Edited March 29, 2014 by Dagworth 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
talisman56 Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 A chain is 22 yards ( 66 feet ), or the total length of a cricket pitch. Coincidentally, it's also the length of the hall used for the Kenavon Model Railway Exhibition! ...and there are 80 chains to a mile... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted March 29, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 29, 2014 ...and there are 80 chains to a mile... and 10 to a furlong. Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titan Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 And one chain is almost exactly 20 meters! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granitechops Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 (edited) The 1933 1/2500 OS map shows a straight line parallel to the shore (on Old maps UK). Not labelled though. Pete Speaking to a long time local this morning he reckons it could be the old sewage pipe from the town, running parralel to the shore line to the sewage works at Dawlish Warren, superceding the older sewers going straight out to sea with no treatment, two of them, the one seen on the Dawlish Beach cam & one running under the north side of the main stone breakwater in the centre of Dawlish Town beach It in turn was made redundant when the modern system of pipes was run under the main A379 Dawlish Exeter road & out to the warren treatment facility BUT i still wonder whak IKB did to keep the sea at bay while the foundations were done, couldnt have had more than a few hours either side of low tide before they got swamped How far is it from Red Rock to Teignmouth Station? 6 or 7 miles at a guess Edited March 29, 2014 by Granitechops Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granitechops Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 Does this help? from this page http://www.teignbridge.gov.uk/dawlishtownbeach Thanks Dagworth,, there are two of the Orange army & a digger at work in that pic!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted March 29, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 29, 2014 How far is it from Red Rock to Teignmouth Station? 6 or 7 miles at a guess It's approx 4 miles, that's the length of the section of line immediately next to the sea. As regards the parallel 'structure' just off shore, I now realise what some of you have been talking about! I've seen it many times before, but I'm not totally sure what it's purpose was. One thing I am sure of, though, is that it's nothing to do with (i) earlier sea walls or (ii) protection for the Brunellian work force when initially constructing the wall. I'd put my money on the old sewage pipe theory, although there's a possibility, I guess, that it might have been an addition to do with 'sand retention on the beach'. Glad to see the various photos of the engineering trains, looks like the plan is proceeding well. I'm hoping to make another site visit tomorrow morning to check on the relaying near Smugglers Cove. As regards Sea Lawn Terrace, when I spoke to someone I know slightly, who lives the other side of the breach in Riviera Terrace, he was saying that some of the services had been restored, but not everything, so he was spending some of the day at home, but sleeping most (but not all) nights in temporary accommodation, so I guess that electricity was one of the missing services. What I do know, however, is that NR have been meeting with the residents on a planned basis, several times a week, to keep them in the picture regarding restoration of the road and their services, this also in conjunction with the local Highways Dept and other relevant organisations. As regards the point about route learning, I doubt that any traincrew who already signs the Sea Wall section will need to refresh. As Big Jim rightly points out, an Operations Briefing document has been sent to all train operators by ourselves. It was put together by FGW in conjunction with NR. The temporary signalling solution will not last for long, but the final decisions regarding configuration and duration haven't been taken yet, that's something that will be finalised early next week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PhilH Posted March 29, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 29, 2014 I went by train to Pompey today passing the site of the 300m embankment collapse at Botley, plus the other two smaller collapses ( didn't even rate a mention on here....) which caused the closure of the Eastleigh - Fareham line for a month or more. What staggered me was the scale of the remedial works, the infrastructure (new roads across fields, temporary 'village' etc.)needed to support this and the large amount of plant and materials needed. I suppose in the scheme of things this was small change compared to Dawlish but it made me realise just what's needed to make events such as these good. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Highlandman Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 PhilH, on 29 Mar 2014 - 17:18, said: I went by train to Pompey today passing the site of the 300m embankment collapse at Botley, plus the other two smaller collapses ( didn't even rate a mention on here....) which caused the closure of the Eastleigh - Fareham line for a month or more. What staggered me was the scale of the remedial works, the infrastructure (new roads across fields, temporary 'village' etc.)needed to support this and the large amount of plant and materials needed. I suppose in the scheme of things this was small change compared to Dawlish but it made me realise just what's needed to make events such as these good. Another regiment of the Orange Army working tirelessly to repair the ravages of our last winter. Lets hope in the following months they will get a well deserved rest, apart from the usual routine repairs. Meanwhile here's a re-worked icon with a waving green flag. Please use where you see fit. 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted March 29, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 29, 2014 Looks like the old track from Smugglers cove is off to a 'better place' great progress. Jamie 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob F Posted March 29, 2014 Author Share Posted March 29, 2014 Thanks Dagworth,, there are two of the Orange army & a digger at work in that pic!! This really shows how much sand has been lost from the beach, whether in the recent storms or over a period of time I do not know. I stayed in a flat on Sea Lawn Terrace in the late 80s and regularly walked along the beach to Dawlish Warren and the structure parallel to the wall was not really visible at all. Also, you could sit on the lower level walkway and put your feet on the sand, it now looks to be at least a 10 foot drop. ROB Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted March 29, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 29, 2014 (edited) Pictures of 20 wagon ballast train at Dawlish Warren on 25 th March 100_4347 (Small).JPG 100_4350 (Small).JPG 100_4349 (Small).JPG Question ( I am NOT a rail expert, just a keen observer) there was just one ballast wagon with this auxilliary power unit on it, Purpose? 100_4353 (Small).JPG As mentioned, they are usually in rakes of 5 - these are HQA Autoballasters that are semi-permanently coupled in rakes of five. (JJA's are a slightly older type and visually similar, but consist of single wagons, but still usually formed as sets of five) There are other generator fitted wagons in the rake. If you look at wagons 5 & 6 in picture 2, you can make out the hoods above the power unit - these will be the end wagons of five sets. Cheers, Mick (part-time wagon spotter.............) Edited March 29, 2014 by newbryford 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granitechops Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 (edited) Looks like the old track from Smugglers cove is off to a 'better place' great progress. Dawlish 3.jpg Jamie Yes & infact I had expected this one to be off up the line BUT at 6.30 - 7pm it was on the Up line alongside the Bam Nuttall yard at Dawlish Warren having the track panels being unloaded so with the length of it, it must have gone halfway to Starcross & set back over the crossing at the Warren to come back down & start unloading from the front Headed by 66555 with 10 flats plus 22 ballast wagons Edited March 29, 2014 by Granitechops Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Granitechops Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 (edited) This really shows how much sand has been lost from the beach, whether in the recent storms or over a period of time I do not know. I stayed in a flat on Sea Lawn Terrace in the late 80s and regularly walked along the beach to Dawlish Warren and the structure parallel to the wall was not really visible at all. Also, you could sit on the lower level walkway and put your feet on the sand, it now looks to be at least a 10 foot drop. ROB Hi Rob, living in the area for the last 40 years the beach level changes quite a lot, quite often the covered walk way on the town beach under Dawlish Station ( under the bridge & turn left) I have seen the sand/shingle almost level with that and at other times 8-10 feet lower & then generally returns to about 3-4 ft below the top No idea why Edited March 29, 2014 by Granitechops Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 Some pics of the engineers trains from this morning here: http://ukrailwaypics.smugmug.com/Daybyday/2014/20140329-Teignmouth-Engineers-/ Freightliner provided (amongst others!) fellow forum member Beast66606 I was after 70801 and 70803 however - this is 801, parked up the estuary past Shaldon bridge... 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gary H Posted March 29, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 29, 2014 Just seen a very lengthy engineers train pass Dawlish a couple of minutes ago in the up direction on the rail cam site. Wasn't hanging around either! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightengine Posted March 29, 2014 Share Posted March 29, 2014 Thanks Dagworth,, there are two of the Orange army & a digger at work in that pic!! That wont be 'THE' orange army as it is a library photo with people on the beach and sea wall etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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