RMweb Gold Revolution Ben Posted October 20, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 20, 2014 The public have been getting into lifts that don't have a driver to stop it at the right floor and open the doors. Most shops got rid of their "drivers" in the 1960s. A train is just a lift that goes horizontally. Actually, by pressing the button to select the floor the lift user feels there is a "driver" in control - them. Having said that, at the BBC's Salford offices they have a lift system where you select the floor you want outside the lifts, are assigned a lift and then when that lift arrives it takes you to the floor you want with no further input. Supposed to be quicker but seems to take much longer, and with the added frustration that you can't change your mind once you get going.... Apologies if this is OT.... Cheers Ben A. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Vistisen Posted October 20, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 20, 2014 The public have been getting into lifts that don't have a driver to stop it at the right floor and open the doors. Most shops got rid of their "drivers" in the 1960s. A train is just a lift that goes horizontally. Copenhagens metro uses driverless trains, there are as far as I know no onboard controls at all. I love sitting looking out of the front window as the train rushes down the tubes that bend quite a lot in all dimensions. Alright I know that technically they only bend in two (left/right and up/down) but you know what i mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Vistisen Posted October 20, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 20, 2014 .... Apologies if this is OT.... Cheers Ben A. Topic? what topic? we are not the worst offenders, there was some bloke posting pictures of lumps of metal a while ago! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapidotrains Posted October 20, 2014 Author Share Posted October 20, 2014 That's a LOT of metal for what is a relatively small model Jason! Of course those of us who don't know how these things are done don't have any standards to compare with. How does the number of E-Train moulds compare with a 'normal' train model? It's about the same number of moulds as a complex Canadian locomotive. Because it lacks all of the underbody piping, the mould quantity is manageable. On some of our passenger cars with all of the underbody equipment, the mould count can reach as high as 19. -Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BernardTPM Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 Somewhere I have/had some near immoveable lumps of metal for making N Gauge tube train bodies. Injection tools are a bit like icebergs - the resulting bit of plastic is a small fraction. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted October 24, 2014 Share Posted October 24, 2014 Copenhagens metro uses driverless trains, there are as far as I know no onboard controls at all. I love sitting looking out of the front window as the train rushes down the tubes that bend quite a lot in all dimensions. Alright I know that technically they only bend in two (left/right and up/down) but you know what i mean. France's Paris metro 1 & 14 are also driver less. My APT-E will be run on a layout with full computer control when it goes to expos. The only technical snag is that where the models locos start and stop is not a very precise art. I found big locos will vary between 3-4 inchs from a first cold run to a final warmed up run, so you need to respot them after each run. I guess sensors would help but you need to place them to take into account stopping distances. A DCC chip follows a pre set de-acceleration curve (for realisme). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 47137 Posted October 24, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 24, 2014 Supposing the APT-P sets had been allowed to succeed in revenue-earning service, might the APT-E have been retained as a test bed for further engineering development, perhaps extended - or still withdrawn as 'spent'? I've ordered up a 6-car set, and I'm wondering if such a prototype is a bit fanciful. - Richard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aptp Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 E-Train was already in the Museum at York in 1976 this was before the P-Trains were completed. Rob www.APT-P.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Vistisen Posted October 25, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 25, 2014 (edited) My APT-E will be run on a layout with full computer control when it goes to expos. The only technical snag is that where the models locos start and stop is not a very precise art. I found big locos will vary between 3-4 inchs from a first cold run to a final warmed up run, so you need to respot them after each run. I guess sensors would help but you need to place them to take into account stopping distances. A DCC chip follows a pre set de-acceleration curve (for realisme). There are indoor GPS systemes, the IT company I work at had an internal research project that was used to draw control panels by running a train arround a layout. Unfortunately it finished just before I started working there :-( Try this site for example. http://en.shop.gamesontrack.dk/indoor-gps-of-model-trains-h0-v1.aspx Edited October 25, 2014 by Vistiaen 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Tilt Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 One for Jason and Mr Tilt, from the e aby madness thread. http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/British-Rail-APT-Advanced-Passenger-Train-Original-R-D-Wind-Tunnel-Test-Model-/231343559542?pt=UK_Collectables_Railwayana_RL&hash=item35dd269376 Er, I don't think so! Especially not at THAT price! Supposing the APT-P sets had been allowed to succeed in revenue-earning service, might the APT-E have been retained as a test bed for further engineering development, perhaps extended - or still withdrawn as 'spent'? I've ordered up a 6-car set, and I'm wondering if such a prototype is a bit fanciful. - Richard. As Rob said, E-Train had been delivered to the NRM by the time the first P-Train actually ran. The bogie designs were radically different and the whole geometry of the train had been changed, whether for the better or not is be a matter for discussion of course. We ran Lab 8 'Pilot', the first P-Train Trailer Car, very soon after the E-Train's last 4-car run as part of the skinned POP-Train, and that used a full P-Train un-powered bogie set. Those three vehicles all had P-Train underfloor mountedMk 5 tilt packs, but PC3 & 4 still retained their E-Train Mk 2 packs, just in case things went wrong. Of course Lab 4 'Hastings' and the dreaded Trestrol both ran before we took E-Train to York, and both of those used P-Train type bogies, so there was little need for E-Train in the development role past 1976. 'Fanciful' works fine for me, a 6, 8, or even 12 car E-Train would look superb to my mind and could portray what may have been if the '73 fuel crisis hadn't happened and if turbines became more efficient and if servo-valves weren't so prone to contamination failures. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapidotrains Posted November 6, 2014 Author Share Posted November 6, 2014 First test shot photos over on this thread: http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/91652-apt-e-mould-progress/&do=findComment&comment=1652332 -Jason 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Tilt Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 One day to go. This time tomorrow................ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
damo2929 Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 Jason will the APT be there at the show tommorow ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapidotrains Posted November 21, 2014 Author Share Posted November 21, 2014 Jason will the APT be there at the show tommorow ? The samples arrived in Birmingham this morning. Remember - these are first engineering samples. They still look amazing, though! We will indeed have them on display. -Jason 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf27 Posted November 21, 2014 Share Posted November 21, 2014 Can't wait! Well I can as I won't be going until Sunday and it's only a toy train. Probably the best toy train ever made though. Cheers Shane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Reichert Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 It's here! Oh sorry no. . . . . Opened the wrong box . . . . Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard w Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 Considering this is the very first sample it looks brilliant. 12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Reichert Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 Considering this is the very first sample it looks brilliant. IMG_1558.jpgIMG_1559.jpg IMG_1560.jpgIMG_1561.jpg IMG_1562.jpgIMG_1564.jpg IMG_1566.jpgIMG_1567.jpg Looks like a magnificent piece of model engineering. Andy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium MJI Posted November 22, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 22, 2014 Looked very nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted November 22, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 22, 2014 It is indeed very impressive having seen it in the flesh, so very nearly tempted earlier but managed to resist The detail on the interior "test panel" is something else Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Accurascale Fran Posted November 22, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 22, 2014 Holy Cow, that's some progress on an excellent model! I'm so glad I order one! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf27 Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 Sweeeet! Cheers Shane Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tase Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 It is indeed very impressive having seen it in the flesh, so very nearly tempted earlier but managed to resist The detail on the interior "test panel" is something else Go on Jim, you know you want one!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikeharvey22 Posted November 22, 2014 Share Posted November 22, 2014 Great to meet Jason today next to a cabinet containing an absolutely superb APT-E, even before all the surface detail has been added to the mould (the train not Jason!). I am very impressed and truly hope that the N Pendolino Kickstarter project hits its target and benefits from Rapido's commitment to excellence. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted November 22, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 22, 2014 That looks fantastic. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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