Mr_Tilt Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 But a full size APT-E is only 4 cars long. So you can run an authentic rake on a smaller layout. Mike. Actually you could tun a wholly authentic APT-E in 3 car form, with just TC2 in the middle. We did quite a lot of the early test work in 3 car form while TC1 was undergoing vibration tests in the APD Lab. And as I mentioned elsewhere, if you were REALLY pushed for space just could just run both Power Cars back to back and without the Joint Module in place. But you have to tow it with an 08 and run at around 15 mph maximum speed, which would hardly test the tilt system. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted September 3, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 3, 2014 Actually you could tun a wholly authentic APT-E in 3 car form, with just TC2 in the middle. We did quite a lot of the early test work in 3 car form while TC1 was undergoing vibration tests in the APD Lab. And as I mentioned elsewhere, if you were REALLY pushed for space just could just run both Power Cars back to back and without the Joint Module in place. But you have to tow it with an 08 and run at around 15 mph maximum speed, which would hardly test the tilt system. I always wondered how you would shuffle vehicles in and out of an articulated set, as one end wouldn't have any wheels. Did you use a temporary "accommodation" bogie? Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Tilt Posted September 4, 2014 Share Posted September 4, 2014 (edited) I always wondered how you would shuffle vehicles in and out of an articulated set, as one end wouldn't have any wheels. Did you use a temporary "accommodation" bogie? Cheers, Mick In a word, yes. But it depends on your definition of 'temporary accomodation bogie'. For E-train we had some folding (yes, really) handling dollies that would fit either the Trailer or Power Cars and they could be slid sideways, while folded flat, under the vehicle just in front of a bogie. Then they'd have their sides un-folded and locked into place before lifting the vehicle clear of its bogie with an air jack plugged into the dolly. The Conservation and Support Group have a couple of them but the guys who moved the train up from York broke one of them and it'll need some extensive welding if we need to use it again. Trailer Car 2 leaving NRM York mounted on two handling dollies. Power Car being loaded onto a road trailer supported on one E1 bogie and one handling dolly Me working on the handling dolly under the Power Car. You can just see the end of the E1T bogie to my right and the bit I'm resting my head on is the bit that folds down. Edited December 6, 2018 by Mr_Tilt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted September 4, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 4, 2014 Hi Kit, Thanks for the info. Nice detail pics of the inner ends of the vehicles. Who's going to be the first to ask Rapido for spare shells to model the above? Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
modelpara Posted September 5, 2014 Share Posted September 5, 2014 Hi Kit, Thanks for the info. Nice detail pics of the inner ends of the vehicles. Who's going to be the first to ask Rapido for spare shells to model the above? Cheers, Mick If you ask nicely they may sell you some of the rejects that are inevitable with any model being made Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted September 5, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 5, 2014 Does anyone know the track record of past Rapido models? I am hugely tempted to order one of these, but want to make 100% sure its the right thing to do !!Well put it this way the couple of people I know who have Rapido models would pre order on an announcement of interest on a model they wanted. The Realtrack pacers are made by Rapido and I haven't seen an issue with any of them and I'm getting an FGW one when they arrive. Thanks to all this thread had been fascinating so far and would be a very good reference for anyone writing about APT-E thanks to Kit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Tilt Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 Thanks to all this thread had been fascinating so far and would be a very good reference for anyone writing about APT-E thanks to Kit. My pleasure, I'm only too glad to help to spread the 'APT-E Gospel'. Because Ian Allan only did one print run of High William's book, and that a long time ago, there's been many an item published in the railway press, both model and full size, that keep on perpetuating errors about the train and they need to be corrected, so I'm trying. I'm hopeful that the Rapido model along with its associated mini-book about the train, will raise interest and put some of the errors to rights. 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapidotrains Posted September 12, 2014 Author Share Posted September 12, 2014 Hi all, This is so crazy I had to share it with you. On the real APT-E, one of Kit's colleagues always brought a massive sandwich. They used it to prop the door open on TC2. So of course we decided to include the door, propped open by the sandwich. How many model train manufacturers get these kinds of emails from their engineers in China? "Will all door be opened after assembling? If yes, suggest don't to make separate parts for the sandwich , because too small to install, there are mounting holes under the door, we only can choose one status for the door, ------Open or Close? "This is another kind of door, do we need to make it be opened and add sandwich?" See attached. Our new tagline is: The Rapido APT-E May or May Not Include Sandwich -Jason Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wild Boar Fell Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Please can you inform us whether the APT-E will be supplied with a variety of sandwich fillings to allow the model to be run on any day of the week, or will the time frame be limited to only days when the sandwich had turned blue (Mold?)? Hehe, Wild Boar Fell Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted September 12, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 12, 2014 Our new tagline is: The Rapido APT-E May or May Not Include Sandwich - I'm cancelling my order unless it's a prototypical ham salad sandwich....................... (Tries to find the head-on picture of a tilted APT with the caption "British Rail loads too many sausage rolls on board...............) Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PaulRhB Posted September 12, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 12, 2014 Will the sandwich be available separately to use in other BR era trains? One of the few things that could be milled from the real thing if the legends are true Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold toboldlygo Posted September 12, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 12, 2014 Hi all, This is so crazy I had to share it with you. On the real APT-E, one of Kit's colleagues always brought a massive sandwich. They used it to prop the door open on TC2. So of course we decided to include the door, propped open by the sandwich. How many model train manufacturers get these kinds of emails from their engineers in China? "Will all door be opened after assembling? If yes, suggest don't to make separate parts for the sandwich , because too small to install, there are mounting holes under the door, we only can choose one status for the door, ------Open or Close? "This is another kind of door, do we need to make it be opened and add sandwich?" See attached. Our new tagline is: The Rapido APT-E May or May Not Include Sandwich -Jason APT-E_DOOR.jpg As long as the engineer isn't called Eye-wun Do or Sum-yun Guy.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 Well BR sandwiches were renowned for being so hard back them, you could not use them for anything else. Indeed after the nucleur flask crash test with a class 40, it was proposed to try that with a BR sandwich! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete Harvey Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 The BR sandwiches can be used as ballast to help the rolling motion and aid traction of the the model. Pete Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 (edited) BR sandwich vs APT-E? Edited September 12, 2014 by JSpencer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
luke_stevens Posted September 12, 2014 Share Posted September 12, 2014 The BR sandwiches can be used as ballast to help the rolling motion and aid traction of the the model. Pete I thought they got reused as Mk3 brake pads... Luke Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted September 12, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 12, 2014 I thought they got reused as Mk3 brake pads... Luke Not quite - Mk3 brake pads smell better when hot............... Cheers, Mick 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rapidobill Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 (edited) I'm cancelling my order unless it's a prototypical ham salad sandwich....................... (Tries to find the head-on picture of a tilted APT with the caption "British Rail loads too many sausage rolls on board...............) Cheers, Mick I'M INSULTED!!! We are NOT making this stuff up! After careful research and numerous e-mails we have determined that it was in fact a standard cheese sandwich, no mayo or mustard, crusts on. Our model will, of course, be 100% accurate... There were NO Ham Salad Sandwiches present - nor will there be any in our model! Cancel your order if you must but we will not compromise!!!! We have our standards!! ;>) Bill Schneider Rapido Trains (Thanks to Kit for the photo....) Edited September 13, 2014 by rapidobill 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ian Posted September 13, 2014 RMweb Gold Share Posted September 13, 2014 That isn't a standard British Rail Sandwich - they were always cut (presumably at BREL). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 (Tries to find the head-on picture of a tilted APT with the caption "British Rail loads too many sausage rolls on board...............) Cheers, Mick ISTR it was a "Not the 9 O'clock News" sketch news item Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 (edited) You know, Just as Terence Cuneo had a mouse in his paintings this could become Rapidos signature in British outline by including a scale sandwich within each model they produce..... Later Jason could write his memories "The sandwich and his master". Edited September 13, 2014 by JSpencer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr_Tilt Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 (edited) This really is no joke, and neither was the photo. Hugh William's wife used to think he'd starve to death unless he was supplied with copious amounts of food on every test day so he'd board the train with a MONSTER lunch box containing approx. half a loaf worth of cheese sandwiches. As we had a really good standing arrangment with the pub in Old Dalby village for a ready supply of all sorts of filled rolls Hugh's lunch box sometimes went un-opened, and the very last thing he could do was take it home still full so the sandwiches tended to accumulate over a day or two, when they were 'filed' in the Control Centre waste bin. Secondary to all this the door seen in the photo was sprung loaded closed, and it was immediately toward the centre of the train from my Tilt Control position and between me and Hugh's Train Control position. Because not everyone was on the intercom system (not enough headset sockets...) Hugh sometimes needed to shout into the Instrumentation Bay of TC2 that we were starting or braking etc. so we needed to wedge the door open so everyone knew what was going on. Enter the surplus sandwiches..... As luck would have it the sandwiches were EXACTLY the correct thickness to wedge the door open, when stale of course, and thus started a legend. I might add that we intend to commemerate 'The Sandwich' for posterity by getting one of those food window display sandwiches and wedging it under the door in TC2 on E-Train at Shildon! Edited April 30, 2015 by Mr_Tilt 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Titan Posted September 13, 2014 Share Posted September 13, 2014 So the door step sandwich became the door stop sandwich!! I cannot put into words my amazement at the attention to detail shown here!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium BR60103 Posted September 14, 2014 RMweb Premium Share Posted September 14, 2014 Is Hugh William's wife likely to read this thread? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyneux Posted September 15, 2014 Share Posted September 15, 2014 The Realtrack pacers are made by Rapido Really??? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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