Kernow Model Rail Centre to produce GWR 1361 0-6-0 Saddle Tank

[nickbown20]

I found out that you can preload your Kernow account with money, so I have done that to cover the engine in the New Year. A useful feature .

[Roy Langridge]

I found out that you can preload your Kernow account with money, so I have done that to cover the engine in the New Year. A useful feature .

Exactly what I do, slowly build up credit to cover the models I have on pre-order. Makes life easier and helps justify the “free” models when they are released.

 

Roy

[gwrrob]

As long as you remember to tell them it's in your account and needs using.

[alfsboy]

I suppose the next thing will be taking advanced  pre payment and getting the Chinese to mail them to the customer   directly without the commissioning shop touching them .It will save Kernow a fortune .

[adb968008]

I suppose the next thing will be taking advanced pre payment and getting the Chinese to mail them to the customer directly without the commissioning shop touching them .It will save Kernow a fortune .

It’s done in other industries.

Dell ships direct from Chinese production line to consumer, my last two laptops came that way. (Ordered on Euro.dell.com).

 

Unfortunately despite 24/7 worldwide warranty.. spares seems to be an issue coming this same route too... I had a 4 week wait for a part once..but it was fixed within 24 hours of the part arriving.

 

It’s probably cheaper to box the lot to a container and bring it to the UK than mail each one individually with China post and deal with customs/vat on the RRP, which i’m No expert on but would assume is different to a container arriving at trade price ?

 

But is there a middle way... individually box, wrap and postage label them in China, then box the lot to a container, then on arrival take the container from Southampton Docks to direct to Southampton post office...maybe an option for prepaid crowd funded models ? - I’ve seen almost as much in Kowloons central post office in the morning, when someone’s driven in a truck load of stuff from the border.

Edited December 25, 2017 by adb968008

[No Decorum]

It’s done in other industries.

Dell ships direct from Chinese production line to consumer, my last two laptops came that way. (Ordered on Euro.dell.com).

 

Unfortunately despite 24/7 worldwide warranty.. spares seems to be an issue coming this same route too... I had a 4 week wait for a part once..but it was fixed within 24 hours of the part arriving.

 

It’s probably cheaper to box the lot to a container and bring it to the UK than mail each one individually with China post and deal with customs/vat on the RRP, which i’m No expert on but would assume is different to a container arriving at trade price ?

 

But is there a middle way... individually box, wrap and postage label them in China, then box the lot to a container, then on arrival take the container from Southampton Docks to direct to Southampton post office...maybe an option for prepaid crowd funded models ? - I’ve seen almost as much in Kowloons central post office in the morning, when someone’s driven in a truck load of stuff from the border.

If you value your life, don’t turn up early at your local post office with a container load of parcels on pensioners’ day!

[adb968008]

If you value your life, don’t turn up early at your local post office with a container load of parcels on pensioners’ day!

Might be able to cut out the postman altogether, and just give the models straight to the pensioners who bought em!

[nickbown20]

Might be able to cut out the postman altogether, and just give the models straight to the pensioners who bought em!

My pension age is currently 68, I have to live my whole life again before I get my pension...

[neilkirby]

All gone very quiet over here.  Still no parcel for me, Nothing heard From KMC, and no posts here since Christmas. Anyone know what is happening with these?

 

Neil

[County of Yorkshire]

All gone very quiet over here.  Still no parcel for me, Nothing heard From KMC, and no posts here since Christmas. Anyone know what is happening with these?

 

Neil

 

I understand that the boat carrying these has very recently left/is very shortly to leave China. As such, they are taking full pre-order payment now to help with payment once they are landed. Like the Gate Stock, they are working through the pre-order lists to request payment in advance. If you wanted to call them to pay now they would welcome that - that is what I did last week because I also wanted to secure two of the bargain £5 Bachmann Shunters trucks!

 

I was told that they will likely arrive and ready for distribution within a 'couple of months'. My guess would be late March into early April. 

 

CoY

Edited January 11, 2018 by County of Yorkshire

[GWR8700]

Anybody had the money taken out their account yet?

[gwrrob]

Anybody had the money taken out their account yet?

I have but then I did ring up and asked them to take it as requested on their website ! Not sure whether the ship has left China yet though.

[brushman47544]

From a contractual perspective, why is Kernow being asked to pay the factory in advance for these models (and the Gate Stock for that matter) in advance? I thought both these projects were being progressed by DJM on behalf of Kernow, so presumably Kernow's contract is with DJM and DJM's with the factory. If something were to go wrong with the shipping, or the locos had to be rejected (thinking here of the Hattons batch of Class 71s), where would liabilities and responsonabilities lie?

[No Decorum]

From a contractual perspective, why is Kernow being asked to pay the factory in advance for these models (and the Gate Stock for that matter) in advance? I thought both these projects were being progressed by DJM on behalf of Kernow, so presumably Kernow's contract is with DJM and DJM's with the factory. If something were to go wrong with the shipping, or the locos had to be rejected (thinking here of the Hattons batch of Class 71s), where would liabilities and responsonabilities lie?

I wondered about that myself. It’s pure speculation on my part but it might be the case that Dave just doesn’t have the resources and Kernow has to step in to prevent the whole project failing at the last moment. All the same, I wonder what the factory would do with all those hydraulics if Kernow just said no.

 

I wonder what I would do, having paid for two of them. Grin and bear it, I suppose.

 

The factory sounds rather unco-operative. That might be a problem if some flaw turns up in the whole batch.

 

Edit: muddled brain. It’s the diesel hydraulics I’ve paid for.

Edited January 16, 2018 by No Decorum

[St. Simon]

From a contractual perspective, why is Kernow being asked to pay the factory in advance for these models (and the Gate Stock for that matter) in advance? I thought both these projects were being progressed by DJM on behalf of Kernow, so presumably Kernow's contract is with DJM and DJM's with the factory. If something were to go wrong with the shipping, or the locos had to be rejected (thinking here of the Hattons batch of Class 71s), where would liabilities and responsonabilities lie?

 

 

I wondered about that myself. It’s pure speculation on my part but it might be the case that Dave just doesn’t have the resources and Kernow has to step in to prevent the whole project failing at the last moment. All the same, I wonder what the factory would do with all those hydraulics if Kernow just said no.

 

I wonder what I would do, having paid for two of them. Grin and bear it, I suppose.

 

The factory sounds rather unco-operative. That might be a problem if some flaw turns up in the whole batch.

 

I think we should leave it to Chris at Kernow to say why this is, and understandably, he probably doesn't want to reveal his business transactions.

 

From speaking with Chris several times on this and other models, I can assure you that the factory is certainly not unco-operative.

 

Simon

[adb968008]

From a contractual perspective, why is Kernow being asked to pay the factory in advance for these models (and the Gate Stock for that matter) in advance? I thought both these projects were being progressed by DJM on behalf of Kernow, so presumably Kernow's contract is with DJM and DJM's with the factory. If something were to go wrong with the shipping, or the locos had to be rejected (thinking here of the Hattons batch of Class 71s), where would liabilities and responsonabilities lie?

I don’t think it’s anything Kernow’s fault. Asian manufacturers can be skittish, since Brexit I’ve seen several occasions where fear of Britain’s actions cause concern and Inturn translate into risk avoidance. In short as a nation Britain’s trust/creditworthiness is of concern as is the currency valuation and stability.

That’s what I think based on reactions I’ve seen in my company to UK trade...a reduction in risk, reduction in UK expansion and investment, and growth plans in other territories. The UK is however increasingly viewed as a source of cheap labour and opportunity to stock up on British stuff that right now is seen as cheap, when it used to be expensive and may be hard to buy later. For now we have a mini-boom, which in the longer term may only continue if we have another currency crash to support it.

 

Think of it from their perspective..

They make the models, ship them on 60days terms, day 50, The Brexit monkeys make some gaff statement, £ tanks 20% overnight... do they still believe payment is coming on time ? Companies like Carillion only prove to the rest of the world what risk Britain is right now..,rightly or wrongly it will be ascribed to Brexit and justification to avoid UK trade. The world economy is booming right now, and trade diversions away from the UK are helping fuel that growth, in short UK deals are no longer the cake, just the cherry. The world had similar growth after Sept 11th, when US immigration policies scared away US investment and saw the $ fall, the UK was seen as the growth engine open to immigration and investment, we benefitted a $2 = £1 then.

 

Money isn’t created, it’s only ever inflated and it moves. Until 2007 it was coming into the UK, then there was an earth quake and 20% its value moved away, in 2016 there was a second landslide and another 15% moved away. Now people are cautious that what was seen to be bedrock UK is actually shaky ground. Outside the UK, people are betting the only way the UK can compete post Brexit will be another currency avalanche to subsidise it and today’s politics no one trusts anyone meaning it can happen anytime.

 

Besides for Kernow, getting the money in quicker means shipping them out faster. No need to research orders and faff about with a credit card machine or chasing out of date credit cards, whilst upto your knees surrounded in boxes.

Edited January 16, 2018 by adb968008

[JSpencer]

Transaction in China will be in USD. If the pound drops, they won't loose any value in their contract BUT the shop might find itself in a situation unable to pay. However the mechanics may actually be more local in China, their banks don't lend money as easily as here.

[brushman47544]

Interesting... I don't want or need to know, I was simply speculating that if we all pay Kernow in advance and Kernow then pays the factory to release the models, what would be the position if there were no models, the models had to be rejected, or suchlike. If the factory then said "I have no contract with you get lost", we and Kernow would all presumably lose our money. Surely always better therefore that monies are paid in fulfillment of legally binding contracts. Perhaps they are and we don't know that.

[Froxfield2012]

..... in China, their banks don't lend money as easily as here.

 

 

I'm not so sure about that.  I suspect state owned banks stuffed with directed lending to state-owned enterprises.  And pretty slack lending practice.  But, of course, I will bow to greater knowledge if you have supporting evidence for this statement 

[truffy]

I don't understand why you need splashers if the footplate is thick as you are then adding same thickness to the splasher itself to overcome the issue.

 

The wheels are not sprung or compensated so no movement needed above the clearance for the wheels and some kind of recess could have been made if the footplate was cast Mazak.

 

Just seems such a shame that what was a really nice model as been spoilt by a adding something that's not there. 

 

Not my region, not my era, but the GWR button logo version was too cute to pass up...until I read this thread and noticed the unnecessary splashers. I thought DJM was a byword for fidelity; but perhaps not.

[TerrySVR]

I understand some were delivered to the earliest people to order, if that's true any chance of pictures on layouts?

[Oldddudders]

Not my region, not my era, but the GWR button logo version was too cute to pass up...until I read this thread and noticed the unnecessary splashers. I thought DJM was a byword for fidelity; but perhaps not.

 

DJM does not pretend to be completely knowledgeable about all the models produced - how could he be? In fact Kernow obtained (rather than retained, I suspect no fee was offered) the services of those who know, and CAD etc drawings were scrutinised, but sadly the spurious splashers were simply missed by these people. 

 

If you feel that your enjoyment of the model would be spoilt by their presence then you can avoid a purchase. But if you thought it was cute before, nothing has changed, actually. 

[Clearwater]

I’m wondering if GWS can add splashers in their restoration then all would be well...

[truffy]

DJM does not pretend to be completely knowledgeable about all the models produced - how could he be? In fact Kernow obtained (rather than retained, I suspect no fee was offered) the services of those who know, and CAD etc drawings were scrutinised, but sadly the spurious splashers were simply missed by these people. 

The irony is that the Kernow webpage has a photo gallery with a photo of the original quite obviously sans splashers. And if you progress the slide show to the model, presto! splashers! Paul Daniels, or even Ali Bongo, would've been proud.

 

But if you thought it was cute before, nothing has changed, actually. 

My OCD begs to differ

[Ian Hargrave]

The irony is that the Kernow webpage has a photo gallery with a photo of the original quite obviously sans splashers. And if you progress the slide show to the model, presto! splashers! Paul Daniels, or even Ali Bongo, would've been proud.

 

My OCD begs to differ

 

I think what my namesake means is that pre production samples displaying the error were on show long before the first production samples arrived late last year.I handled one at the Doncaster show in February and,like you found it very appealing.In common with most if not all of the modelling fraternity,I failed to spot it...mea culpa.But then,I had no specialist knowledge of the prototype.I just knew I wanted one. When the aftershock of "Splashergate" echoed around the august halls of this mighty forum,was I deterred ? Indeed not.Thus I ordered late last year and quickly received one of the advanced guard.Am I disappointed ? Quite the contrary.But then,I knew what I was getting.A case of reverse OCD I believe.   (Had to Google it to find the meaning...thanks for that...)

 

      In case you think details don't bother me,I strongly disapproved of Bachmann's emasculation of the Modified Hall and had an eventual purchase properly tweaked with a Brassmasters kit.But then...I failed to spot that glaring error when first viewed on the Bachmann stand at the York Show in 2015...in common with many others.

 

   There is no fix as such for the Kernow 1361.I just love it...warts and all.