Chameleon Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Just heard on my local gen forum, WCRC has been banned from Network Rail effective tonight. Citing "operational incidents" this will apparently cover all preserved, charter and freight movements. Wonder if this is a consequence of Tangmeres incident? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted April 2, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 2, 2015 This is a matter for on-going discussions between NR and WCR, with the hoped-for goal of resolving all the issues concerned in a satisfactory manner for all parties. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
black and decker boy Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 NR have circulated the following email with a formal statement due today: This is major news and will have a massive impact on charter trains booked for the Easter weekend and beyond not to mention employees and other customers. Lets hope it gets resolved quickly. Please be advised that due to ongoing safety concerns, Network Rail has taken the decision to serve a Suspension Notice upon West Coast Railways. The suspension of West Coast Railways will take effect from 00:00 on Friday 3 April 2015 and will apply to all services operated by West Coast Railways on all NR Routes. For the avoidance of doubt, this includes charter passenger services, freight services, NSC services and light engine moves. From 00:00 on Friday 3 April 2015, West Coast Railways are not to be permitted to operate on our Routes This appears to be connected: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/dangerous-occurrence-at-wootton-bassett-junction-wiltshire Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mod3 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Already mentioned and locked to avoid speculation http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/topic/97858-west-coast-railways-banned/ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted April 2, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 2, 2015 Now in the public domain. http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/news/statement-west-coast-railways-suspension-notice Cheers, Mick edit - can the other locked relevant topics be combined please? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jwealleans Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Did they have anything scheduled to run this weekend? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Metr0Land Posted April 2, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 2, 2015 A Cumbrian Mountain Express on Sat and The Hadrian on Monday both now showing as canx. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mod3 Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Topics merged and reopened - but please avoid idle speculation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike at C&M Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 The Network Rail letter suggests that the 15th May is when the WCRC licence will be reviewed, and it requires certain conditions to be met by WCRC by that time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Martin Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 NR have circulated the following email with a formal statement due today: This is major news and will have a massive impact on charter trains booked for the Easter weekend and beyond not to mention employees and other customers. Lets hope it gets resolved quickly. This appears to be connected: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/dangerous-occurrence-at-wootton-bassett-junction-wiltshire Eeeew! That doesn't read well, does it? Was it WCRC that had the light engine SPAD at Stafford not all that long ago? <EDIT> It wasn't: see next post </EDIT> Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted April 2, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 2, 2015 Eeeew! That doesn't read well, does it? Was it WCRC that had the light engine SPAD at Stafford not all that long ago? Jim No. It was DCR. Cheers, Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Martin Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 No. It was DCR. Cheers, Mick Ah, thanks. Jim Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium John M Upton Posted April 2, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 2, 2015 Going to be a LOT of very peeved railtour punters in the next couple of weeks. What a shambles... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steadfast Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 And before everyone jumps on the bash DCR bandwagon, things have been drastically overhauled and improved massively since the Stafford incident. If there happen to be any similar shortcomings at WCRC, let's hope this time out gives them chance to refocus and pick themselves up. It's the customers booked on WCRC hauled trains over the next few weeks I feel sorry for jo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted April 2, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 2, 2015 the bit im unsure of is could west coast still provide drivers to route conduct, traction cunduct etc while they are unable to run trains of their own? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Flashheart Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 And before everyone jumps on the bash DCR bandwagon, things have been drastically overhauled and improved massively since the Stafford incident. If there happen to be any similar shortcomings at WCRC, let's hope this time out gives them chance to refocus and pick themselves up. It's the customers booked on WCRC hauled trains over the next few weeks I feel sorry for jo Missed that, what happened with DCR at Stafford?. Rob Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium James Makin Posted April 2, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 2, 2015 Going to be a LOT of very peeved railtour punters in the next couple of weeks. What a shambles... And no doubt a lot of peeved modellers without novelty maroon heritage locos inexplicably popping up every 5 mins...ha ha! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Do WCRC provide traction for WCML Thunderbirds or is that just DRS? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR(S) Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 the bit im unsure of is could west coast still provide drivers to route conduct, traction cunduct etc while they are unable to run trains of their own? I would have thought that, in light of RAIB details of the Tangmere incident coupled with the subsequent NR letter that implies WCRC haven't got sufficient management procedures in place, all personnel connected with WCRC are now unable to operate on Network Rail infrastructure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted April 2, 2015 RMweb Premium Share Posted April 2, 2015 Am I getting confused or do West Coast Railways not provide the power for The Northern Belle land cruises? Sure I've seen them at Wemyss Bay . Are there any scheduled over bank holiday weekend? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Redkiterail Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 Am I getting confused or do West Coast Railways not provide the power for The Northern Belle land cruises? Sure I've seen them at Wemyss Bay . Are there any scheduled over bank holiday weekend? DRS has the contract Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheIntercityhst Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 I believe the reason for the ban was due to a SPAD involving 34067 Tangmere at Wotton Basset junction on 7th March 2015, and NR have found WCRC's response as being 'ineffectual', hence why the ban is in place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roythebus Posted April 2, 2015 Share Posted April 2, 2015 I appreciate there's a lot of distractions on a steam loco footplate; blowers, fires, water, other bods on the footplate, sighting difficulties, along with AWS/TWPS and whatever, but signal observation should be top priority. According to the published report the driver failed to react to the AWS warnings; there's also a mention of access to the footplate, so expect "unofficial" footplate rides to be abolished completely. Driver, fireman, and route conductor should be more than enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold PhilH Posted April 2, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 2, 2015 I appreciate there's a lot of distractions on a steam loco footplate; blowers, fires, water, other bods on the footplate, sighting difficulties, along with AWS/TWPS and whatever, but signal observation should be top priority. According to the published report the driver failed to react to the AWS warnings; there's also a mention of access to the footplate, so expect "unofficial" footplate rides to be abolished completely. Driver, fireman, and route conductor should be more than enough. You're forgetting the owner's representative. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted April 2, 2015 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 2, 2015 Whatever they find out it will have wide reaching after effects to other toc's and foc's Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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