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#251 brushman47544

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 12:36

That's if Hattons are producing 500 of each locomotive don't forget that these models are being done directly with a factory in China so production numbers could be potentially lower compared to going though another producer.

 

Since Hatton's are dealing with the factory directly, it wouldn't surprise me if they've agreed an overall number of locos, but can adjust the numbers of each one depending on the pre-orders. So the more popular ones will see more produced.


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#252 J. S. Bach

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 14:18

Something that I have not seen addressed yet. For those with the Bachmann motors, how well will they play with the Hatton's version? I am referring to mu'ing them in cuts of two or more. I suspect that we will have to wait for the production models to arrive to find that out. Note that I am speaking about straight DC operation here. I have several of the Bachmann variety and was quite happy with their performance on a friend's layout.

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#253 Covkid

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 19:16

How often do you run multiple class 66s in the same consist ?

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 19:41

Happens quite a bit either side of weekend engineering work with positioning locos for trains. Anyhoo if you run dcc you can speed match then using the decoder and once one is done it should only require minor tweaks to allow for motor variations.
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Posted 15 May 2018 - 19:59

How often do you run multiple class 66s in the same consist ?


A couple of examples could involve another new hattons products, the RHTT wagons and beilhack snow ploughs!
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#256 martin_l_jones

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Posted 15 May 2018 - 20:04

I have far too many and won't be parting with any of them. They might not be perfect but they run really well and look the part in my eyes. Personally I think the older liveries like the original EWS will be slow sellers, but I'm sure the batch quantities will be reduced so less to move.
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Posted 15 May 2018 - 20:49

Since Hatton's are dealing with the factory directly, it wouldn't surprise me if they've agreed an overall number of locos, but can adjust the numbers of each one depending on the pre-orders. So the more popular ones will see more produced.

Its something I have wondered about, and don't think we will ever get an answer to the quantities made.  In comparison-Hornby will do runs as low as 250 (used to be 1000), Bachmann 504 or 512 and ViTrains did as low as 150 and Olivias had 2000 Class 58's split over 8 locos.

 

There are a few "base" liveries - EWS, FL, F/L Powerhaul, DRS Compass, DRS plain, GBRF, GBRF Europorte, GBRF Barbie, Colas, etc. and then after that its just setting up tampo printing to make each loco's finer detail.

 

Effectively, there may be say 1000 EWS models (not bringing wing/no wing mirrors into equation!), split over the range to do the EWS & EWS DB's.  After that its then differences with tampo printing for each model.

 

Like I say I don't think we will ever know the exact amount of each model produced.

 

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 09:36

Something that I have not seen addressed yet. For those with the Bachmann motors, how well will they play with the Hatton's version? ...

 That's an aspect for the designer to keep in mind. What is striking about the centre motored twin bogie units in RTR OO is how similar they are in general spec and resulting satisfactory performance on track. A little care in matching the motor characteristic with a gear ratio yielding 10--20% excess over scale maximum speed* should do the job.

 

 

*Something of a horses for courses job. I have by no means sampled all that is on sale, so my observation is restricted to three makers: Heljan are often a little shy on scale maximum speed - 'just about' or a few mph under, Bachmann go about 15% over scale speed, and Hornby circa 2x scale speed.

 

As already observed in post 254 above, not least of DCC's beneficial features is a speed matching capability, something I make much use of. If there is access to a DCC programming facility to achieve the set up, a decoder can perform a speed trimming function on a DC operated layout.



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Posted 16 May 2018 - 10:08

How fickle we all are (and well off by the sounds of it). It was only a few weeks ago that Bachmann's 66779 was selling out but now their version needs to be off loaded with great haste according to some? 

 

For the tape, 'Chard confirms that he hasn't any Class 66s of any description to offload - or retain.


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Posted 16 May 2018 - 13:42

 That's an aspect for the designer to keep in mind. What is striking about the centre motored twin bogie units in RTR OO is how similar they are in general spec and resulting satisfactory performance on track. A little care in matching the motor characteristic with a gear ratio yielding 10--20% excess over scale maximum speed* should do the job.

Something I forgot to note in my post. When I took the Bachmann box out of the bag, my friend said "Bachmann? That thing just might make it around the layout if you are lucky." Well, it "made it around the layout" many times and its overall performance was quite good. I would rate it a little better than Athearn and little less than Atlas based on running light. I was not able to haul a cut of cars as I had no coupler adapter car but based on my observations, it would have done an admirable job. Note that the MK1 was going to be a dynamometer car with a KD on one end. As it turned out I somehow got another MK1 car and liked them so much that I decided to get a MK1 train together. The order would have been: motor, baggage,SLF,SLF,RU,RMB, SO,SO,SO

 

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 13:43

Happens quite a bit either side of weekend engineering work with positioning locos for trains. Anyhoo if you run dcc you can speed match then using the decoder and once one is done it should only require minor tweaks to allow for motor variations.



Are they actually in multiple though or one dead ? Same as top and tail ?
The only example I can think of for real multiple was using two on some of the South Wales oil stuff to try and do away with a 60

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Posted 16 May 2018 - 15:19

Well yes but unless you rip out the motors you'd need to multiple the models as you can't disengage the drive without removing the worms! ;)
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Posted 18 May 2018 - 11:00

Morning all,

 

Following on from the original announcement, we have produced a 3D print to give people a better idea of how the finished models will look.

 

The sample allows us to check that the CAD files we've created are correct, that all dimensions are right and that all necessary detailing parts are included - once all of our checks are complete, alterations to the CAD are made and then a first engineering prototype is produced.
 
As you can see from the 3D print, there is a staggering level of detail on the model, with all manner of underframe, bogie and body detail on show.
 
You can also see minute details such as the perforated grilles, which on the final model will enable you to see a representation of the equipment behind them.
 
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As always, we welcome any and all comments. We hope you're excited about the thus far and we'll be sharing more updates in the future as the project progress.

 

Cheers,

 

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 11:20

Hi all,

 

Will the model have opening cab doors, like the forthcoming Dapol class 59?
The 66s are often seen with a door open, so it would be nice to model this.

 

The models will not feature opening cab doors.

 

Hattons Dave, 

 

Please could you clarify something?

 

On the first page where the 66s were announced, in the first table item H4-66-005 is 66040 in EWS livery but on the second table the same item is 66088 in EWS livery with DB branding. 

 

So are you producing 040 or 088? 

 

Thank you very much in advance. 

 

Thanks for spotting that. We had previously changed to 66088 but this hadn't been updated everywhere. I can confirm that 66088 will be the version produced for H4-66-005 and I have updated the initial list to reflect this.

 

 

I hope it's okay to provide some feedback regarding the CAD images... 

 

...in that it might be worth mentioning that there are two distinctly different types of sandbox in use on the Class 66, as built:

 

https://www.flickr.c...tos/26788417789

 

https://www.flickr.c...05/15787091701/

 

https://www.flickr.c...us/16093913841/

 

 

It is a little difficult to tell for sure from the angle of the CAD images, however it would appear from comparing the sandboxes on the low-emission and standard variants that all sandboxes are showing identical?  As far as I am aware, examples from 66752 onwards were built with the larger style sandbox, whereas examples prior to 66752 (whether they were low-emission or standard) were all built with the original style sandbox (as I think are pictured in the CADs).

 

Maybe someone could clarify if examples from 66752 will be produced with the later style sandboxes?

 

cheers

Al

 

I can confirm we have tooled up for differences that are present on the American built versions (66752 onwards) which includes: different sandboxes, different cab vent placement, cab seam behind front handrail and additional front handrail support.

 

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I have also updated the detail matrix on the first page to correctly reflect this as well.

 

I hope this helps.

 

 

Cheers,

Dave


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Posted 18 May 2018 - 11:26

The detail on that looks exquisite. Nice to see a good range of variations.
It's only a small detail, but there's only a handful of the 4 door "high emission" locos with the wider rain strip over the doors (the last few original style built for Freightliner, 66578 to 66581, now with GB as 66738 to 66741). The vast majority it ends closer to the handrails. All the 5 door low emission locos have this larger rain strip. A small detail perhaps, but if the two styles of body are separate toolings it may be worth looking at

Also, all low emission locos except 951 and 952 should have the handrail strengthener shown on the US built GB CAD you've just posted

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 11:40

Looking fantastic!


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Posted 18 May 2018 - 15:57

Dave,

Will it have the facility to add working screw links to both ends?

Thanks

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Posted 18 May 2018 - 16:41

Certainly agree with the "staggering level of detail" comment! Looking good
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Posted 18 May 2018 - 18:15

Hi all,

 

 

The models will not feature opening cab doors.

 

 

Thanks for spotting that. We had previously changed to 66088 but this hadn't been updated everywhere. I can confirm that 66088 will be the version produced for H4-66-005 and I have updated the initial list to reflect this.

 

 

 

I can confirm we have tooled up for differences that are present on the American built versions (66752 onwards) which includes: different sandboxes, different cab vent placement, cab seam behind front handrail and additional front handrail support.

 

attachicon.gif66_AmericanBuilt_CAD.png

 

I have also updated the detail matrix on the first page to correctly reflect this as well.

 

I hope this helps.

 

 

Cheers,

Dave

 

Thank you very much for confirming this Dave. 

 

Brilliant attention to detail on the 3D prints. Very much looking forward to buying some of these. 

 

I look forward to seeing further updates. 


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Posted 18 May 2018 - 18:59

Afternoon all,
 
We're currently reviewing options for sound provision in our factory fitted models.
I'll be sure to update you all as soon as I can.
 
 
Cheers,

Dave


Any update on who's sound files will be used ?
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Posted 18 May 2018 - 23:45

Dapol / Gaugemaster have now announced Biffa in n gauge, Come on Hattons,you can do it in OO, pleeeeeeeeease
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Posted 19 May 2018 - 07:32

Any update on who's sound files will be used ?

 

hopefully they look also into Zimo. I love the performance of the MX644 together with the soundfiles from Youchoose and the immersive drive.


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Posted 19 May 2018 - 09:38

If they chose zimo I wouldn’t be ordering any sound versions, too complicated for my liking

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Posted 19 May 2018 - 11:19

hopefully they look also into Zimo. I love the performance of the MX644 together with the soundfiles from Youchoose and the immersive drive.


hopefully they look also into Zimo. I love the performance of the MX644 together with the soundfiles from Youchoose and the immersive drive.

Perhaps Hatton's could run a poll for the various sound options ?

If they chose zimo I wouldn’t be ordering any sound versions, too complicated for my liking

The latest Zimo ActiveDrive etc files are very rewarding to use and as easy or complicated in use as you want to make them.
As you drive the real thing you'd manage fine....

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Posted 19 May 2018 - 23:59

I can confirm we have tooled up for differences that are present on the American built versions (66752 onwards) which includes: different sandboxes, different cab vent placement, cab seam behind front handrail and additional front handrail support.

 

attachicon.gif66_AmericanBuilt_CAD.png

 

I have also updated the detail matrix on the first page to correctly reflect this as well.

 

I hope this helps.

 

 

Cheers,

Dave

 

Thanks for confirming.  Highly impressive!  Even I can't argue with that and that's saying something!  :mosking:

 

It's also really pleasing that the front end valance is designed with a slot for the couplings - if anything that was one of the most annoying design niggles with the Bachmann model, as in my opinion a 66 without the valance simply doesn't look like a 66. 

 

Other irritations with the Bachmann model were crudely-moulded rainstrips above the cab doors - they literally look like blobs, whereas in reality they are very sharp steel edges.  I must say that your 3D mock-up looks much sharper in this respect so I trust the finished model will be even more refined.  Similarly, I have never been truly convinced that the corrugated sides were quite right on the Bachy model, again to my eye they simply never appear to have quite the right definition.

 

Really looking forward to seeing the grilles too, as again one of the key features of the prototype is being able to literally see right through the bulk of the main body...  http://www.wellsgree...-0adidcot10.JPG

 

The 3D mock-up looks fantastic. Really looking forward to further updates.  Awesome stuff.   :)


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