Dave F's photos - ongoing - more added each day

[DaveF]

This afternoon we are revisiting the Great Eastern Main Line, starting at Manningtree and heading a short distance northwards across the Cattawade Bridges to Bentley.

 

They were taken between 1975 and 1977.

 

In fine warm weather it was very pleasant to stand at Manningtree station or to walk along the river banks to the bridges.  It was a very different matter in winter with an easterly gale blowing - so far photos taken in that weather have not appeared here.  The February one below was on a pleasant sunny day.

 

 

Manningtree SR S15 841 Greene King Manningtree to Loughborough steam to Ely 3rd April 76 C2665

 

 

Manningtree 47100 up 12th June 76 C2774

 

 

Manningtree Cattawade Bridge Class 37 down Feb 77 C3206

 

 

Cattawade Class 37 up taken from Manningtree Quay May 77 C3350

 

 

Bentley  Colchester to Peterborough June 75 C2134

 

 

David

Edited September 9, 2016 by DaveF

[Market65]

Hi, Dave. Firstly those are excellent photo illustrating the colours of windows and doors etc, in the first set of photos. Thank you for posting them here. They also show the green and blue liveries of the trains so well. Instant nostalgia.

The photos of the GEML are just as good. In the last one the unit is indentifiable as a hybrid set. From the roof vents, and the toilet water filler pipe, it is possible to say that the first car is a class 105 Cravens, DTCL, with the Gloucester class 100 DMBS at the rear.

 

With warmest regards,

 

Rob.

[The Stationmaster]

I've just posted a few photos in a thread about North Eastern Region building colours so I thought I'd put them here as well.  I think a couple of them may have already appeared here, I hope no one minds a repeat.

 

Today's "proper" photos will follow later.

 

 

Starbeck July 67 J972.jpg

Starbeck July 67 J972

 

 

Snaith Class 37 D6740 eastbound Aug 67 J1076.jpg

Snaith Class 37 D6740 eastbound Aug 67 J1076

 

 

Riccall South Clas 101 Selby to York Sept 67 J1112.jpg

Riccall South Class 101 Selby to York Sept 67 J1112

 

 

Pannal Class 101 Harrogate to Liverpol Lime St Sept 67 J1109.jpg

Pannal Class 101 Harrogate to Liverpol Lime St Sept 67 J1109

 

 

Cattal Oct 67 J1172.jpg

Cattal Oct 67 J1172

 

 

David

 

Now you're talking David - many's the time I walked down Station Road at Riccall (that's it disappearing into the distance beyond the level crossing) and Riccall South was the first signalbox in which I pulled a signal lever - or rather tried to pull a signal lever, the Down Distant which at that time was still an NER slotted post signal, and 10 years before that photo was taken.

 

 

I also vaguely knew Cattal as my great aunt lived not far away in Hunsingore but I never saw Cattal station apart from passing through enroute from York to Knaresborough or Harrogate.

[Clive Mortimore]

J1076, The MR signal box looks so so wrong in NER Blue and White, I would go as far as saying even worse than ER Green and Cream. As for WR Brown and Cream. :no: :no:

 

We all know MR boxes should be Maroon and Cream in BR days.

[kev]

J1076, The MR signal box looks so so wrong in NER Blue and White, I would go as far as saying even worse than ER Green and Cream. As for WR Brown and Cream. :no: :no:

 

We all know MR boxes should be Maroon and Cream in BR days.

A rule 1 signal box

kev

[Suddaby]

J1076, The MR signal box looks so so wrong in NER Blue and White, I would go as far as saying even worse than ER Green and Cream. As for WR Brown and Cream. :no: :no:

 

We all know MR boxes should be Maroon and Cream in BR days.

The only problem with that is that Snaith West is on the L&Y line.

I agree however that it looks like a Midland box.

Found an old photo from 1950 (Francis Frith collection), and it's the same box.

Any explanation anyone?

 

Kevin

[stovepipe]

The Mk2b stock in C3206 appears to have frames fitted to their sides, presumably for destination boards to be inserted. I know this was done during 1969-71 on the WR and LMR in particular, but I don't recall seeing any use made of them on ER in the mid to late 1970s.

 

The cl37 in C3350 is a centre headcode type which were unusual on GE passenger trains, because their roof mounted horns prevented them from using certain tunnels near Liverpool St. I guess this one could be an inter-regional service however.

Edited September 10, 2016 by stovepipe

[Poor Old Bruce]

J1076, The MR signal box looks so so wrong in NER Blue and White, I would go as far as saying even worse than ER Green and Cream. As for WR Brown and Cream. :no: :no:

 

We all know MR boxes should be Maroon and Cream in BR days.

 

As Kev says, it's their train set and they can paint whatever colour they like.

 

The only problem with that is that Snaith West is on the L&Y line.

I agree however that it looks like a Midland box.

Found an old photo from 1950 (Francis Frith collection), and it's the same box.

Any explanation anyone?

 

Kevin

 

It is (was?) a Midland box. AFAIK it was a transplant job to replace a dead one.

[DaveF]

The Great Central between Nottingham and Loughborough in BR days for this afternoon's batch of photos.

 

For several years when I was still at primary school in the late 1950s we lived within sight of the line south of Nottingham.  If only Dad could have afforded film to take more photos then!

 

 

Wilford Brick Works siding GCR April 69 J1589.  To be more exact, the site of the siding.

 

 

Rushcliffe Halt Hotchley Hill Class 45 shunting plasterboard sidings Aug 75 C2236.

 

 

Stanford on Soar 9F 92096 up coal Sept 64 J173

 

 

Stanford on Soar Royal Scot 46156 The South Wales Borderer up light engine Sept 64 J174

 

 

River Soar viaduct Aug 75 C2240

 

 

David

[Market65]

Hi, Dave. An excellent set of photos of the GCR between Nottingham and Loughborough. In J174, it is so sad to see the condition that Royal Scot, 46156, The South Wales Borderer, had been allowed to deteriorate into. I suppose it makes a good project for weathering a model, but it, and all the other steam loco's at that time, should have been looked after better.

 

With warmest regards,

 

Rob.

[Clive Mortimore]

The only problem with that is that Snaith West is on the L&Y line.

I agree however that it looks like a Midland box.

Found an old photo from 1950 (Francis Frith collection), and it's the same box.

Any explanation anyone?

 

Kevin

Hi Kevin

 

It is a Midland design of box, a type 4d. It is quite possible it is a LMS built replacement box, the lever frame being in the back of the box was a LMS feature. The LMS carried on using MR type 4 for the Midland division and LNWR type 5 boxes for the Western and Central Divisions. Some MR design boxes ended up on the Western and Central divisions and some LNWR boxes on the Midland.

[Enterprisingwestern]

J1589.

Looking north I believe Dave, taken from the A52 road bridge, just to clarify, no slur intended!!

 

Mike.

[lmsforever]

I can remember seeing many even more distgusting looking locos coming through Aylesbury at the end of the GCR  and hearing of some expiring in the middle of nowhere crews legging it over fields looking for a phone!

[DaveF]

J1589.

Looking north I believe Dave, taken from the A52 road bridge, just to clarify, no slur intended!!

 

Mike.

 

 

 

Mike,

 

Yes it is the view looking north.  I don't think it was the A52 bridge, I think there was  minor road bridge just there at the time.

 

Edit, it was from the bridge on the B680, or thereabouts, just to the north of the A52 bridge.   In 1969 the roads in the area were very different - the last time I went back to visit relatives I got very lost.

 

Thanks for pointing it out for those who don't know the area.

 

David

Edited September 10, 2016 by DaveF

[Porcy Mane]

The only problem with that is that Snaith West is on the L&Y line.

I agree however that it looks like a Midland box.

Found an old photo from 1950 (Francis Frith collection), and it's the same box.

Any explanation anyone?

 

Kevin

 

Parts of regions changed borders/Administration. Some Leeds/Bradford area locosheds being "victims". Embsay Junction had this Airfix box.

From the other thread.

http://www.davidheyscollection.com/userimages/00-0-a-fw-smith-j-robinson--embsay-junct.jpg

 

P

[Leander]

The viaduct shown in J1266 is the one near Sedbergh, also known as Waterside Viaduct or just Lune Viaduct. The one near the WCML at Low Gill is an all stone structure as can be seen in the photo in the link below.

https://flic.kr/p/pYAK6V

 

Paul J.

The viaduct on the LNWR Ingleton branch is the one featured in the opening sequence to 'The Train Now Departing' TV series of a good few years ago now. The sequence of an Ivatt 4MT 2-6-0 on a demolition train, filmed by Ivo Peters, transformed into the then current scene of the redundant trackless viaduct. The scene was filmed from a position to the south of Low Gill station and the site of the junction between the branch and L&C line.

[DaveF]

A few photos from a visit to what is now the Buckinghamshire Railway Centre at Quainton Road in November 1976 for today's first batch.

 

 

Quainton Road Peckett 0-4-0ST Nov 76 C3091

 

 

Quainton Road Hudswell Clarke Sir Thomas Nov 76 C3092

 

 

Quainton Road Planet Tarmac Nov 76 C3103

 

 

Quainton Road Ivatt 2MTT 41313 Nov 76 C3107

 

 

uainton Road Yorkshire Engine Co Chislet Nov 76 C3113

 

 

David

[lmsforever]

You would not recognise Quainton now its a very smart site and has many interesting things to see plus the old Oxford station used as a exhibition centre and restaurant all in all a good day out.

[DaveF]

Today's BR photos are once again from Hillmorton on WCML between 1968 and 1979.

 

 

Hillmorton Class 85 08.05 Holyhead to Euston Sept 68 J1458

 

 

Hillmorton Class 86 E3109 down April 72 J2894

 

 

Hillmorton Class 86 E3156 up May 72 J2947

 

 

Hillmorton Class 85 down Motorail London Olympia to Perth June 75 J4359

 

 

Hillmorton Class 86 Euston to Manchester March 79 J6410

 

 

David

[Suddaby]

Hi Kevin

 

It is a Midland design of box, a type 4d. It is quite possible it is a LMS built replacement box, the lever frame being in the back of the box was a LMS feature. The LMS carried on using MR type 4 for the Midland division and LNWR type 5 boxes for the Western and Central Divisions. Some MR design boxes ended up on the Western and Central divisions and some LNWR boxes on the Midland.

Thanks Clive.

 

Kevin

[mark54]

The Mk2b stock in C3206 appears to have frames fitted to their sides, presumably for destination boards to be inserted. I know this was done during 1969-71 on the WR and LMR in particular, but I don't recall seeing any use made of them on ER in the mid to late 1970s.

 

The cl37 in C3350 is a centre headcode type which were unusual on GE passenger trains, because their roof mounted horns prevented them from using certain tunnels near Liverpool St. I guess this one could be an inter-regional service however.

Most early Mk2 stock (up to and including at least some 2c) were fitted with the frames but only the WR used them. Sometimes it is not obvious, as it is in this photo. As stock was overhauled no doubt they were later on removed.

 

Stratford was allocated D6959-68 for many years (the only boiler fitted centre headcode type I believe), so if there was a restriction due to the air horns it can't have been very severe.

[Fat Controller]

Most early Mk2 stock (up to and including at least some 2c) were fitted with the frames but only the WR used them. Sometimes it is not obvious, as it is in this photo. As stock was overhauled no doubt they were later on removed.

 

Stratford was allocated D6959-68 for many years (the only boiler fitted centre headcode type I believe), so if there was a restriction due to the air horns it can't have been very severe.

There was another batch of half-a-dozen steam-heated centre-headcode 37s- D6880-5, I think- based at Landore. Their only regular passenger turn was the Milford Haven beds as far as Swansea High St.

[Swindon 123]

The Mk2b stock in C3206 appears to have frames fitted to their sides, presumably for destination boards to be inserted. I know this was done during 1969-71 on the WR and LMR in particular, but I don't recall seeing any use made of them on ER in the mid to late 1970s.

 

The cl37 in C3350 is a centre headcode type which were unusual on GE passenger trains, because their roof mounted horns prevented them from using certain tunnels near Liverpool St. I guess this one could be an inter-regional service however.

 

 

Most early Mk2 stock (up to and including at least some 2c) were fitted with the frames but only the WR used them. Sometimes it is not obvious, as it is in this photo. As stock was overhauled no doubt they were later on removed.

 

Stratford was allocated D6959-68 for many years (the only boiler fitted centre headcode type I believe), so if there was a restriction due to the air horns it can't have been very severe.

The restriction for the roof horn mounted 37's was Clapton Tunnels on the section of line between Hackney Downs and Copper Mill Jcn. Apart from that route the were no other restrictions that I knew of for other routes. They could still get to Cambridge via the Southbury loop or via Stratford and Temple Mills. There were no restrictions on the route to Ipswich and Norwich.

 

Paul J.

[Guest B Exam]

Boiler fitted centre box 37s from new were D6875-D6892(37175-37192).

 

D6960-D6968 (37260-37268) received boilers from early split box 37s to create a series of dual braked, steam heat 37s on the former Great Eastern.

 

For some reason 37247 received a boiler at some point in its life - sometime during the 1970s.

 

37248 has been fitted with a boiler during its restoration at the Gloucestershire and Warwickshire Rly.

[Market65]

Hi, Dave. A great set of photos of Quainton Road. Interesting to see the engines in various states of repair as at November, 1976.

Then there is much of interest at Hillmorton. Most of the Mk1and Mk2 stock can be seen to be running on B4 bogies, with a small number of Mk1's on commonwealth bogies, including the Mk1 BFK which is the leading carriage, in J4359.

 

With warmest regards,

 

Rob.