RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted January 31, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Accurascale Fran said: Why such small boxes? 1 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 14 minutes ago, SteamingWales said: To mess up our neatly packed and stored Hornby and Bachmann boxes which are all the same shape and size Although like others have said I prefer a strong box and good packaging for a model vs saving space Ha ha, it will certainly do that to my boxes neatly packed in one big box. You can still have a strong box, eg. 'hard' cardboard like Kernows own branded special editions come in, and not the flimsy Hby/Bmann ones. I am not particularly green but its just huge. What a waste. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MikeParkin65 Posted January 31, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 31, 2022 59 minutes ago, confused said: Why such huge boxes? Presumably given the weight of these to ensure they dont arrive like Hornby's W1. Shows the different approach to product care - priority is to deliver a quality product in one piece to a satisfied customer. 4 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-BOAF Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 1 hour ago, Accurascale Fran said: Good morning @G-BOAF, I'm afraid not. As referred to above, the COVID outbreaks in China slowed production in the last couple of weeks which lost the factory up to 2 hours per day of productivity (every staff member is getting tested daily) and this hampered us at the final hurdle. We have also been assessing the production samples, and all is good apart from the lack of paint on the engine room detail which the factory forgot to do, so this will be done before they leave the factory. They are still tantalisingly close, but delivery now slips into Q2 from late Q1. We will have a more specific date when they arrive back in work in a few weeks. With so little left to do on them (apart from engine block painting) no sloppiness should creep in and any new workers would not be on a project this advanced on their first day. So rest assured quality would not be affected. We're sorry about the delay everyone, but once again the 'C' word (no not that one!) has nobbled us a bit at the very final hurdle. Thanks for your continued patience, and we will have these models above (and more!) available to view on our stand in Glasgow. Cheers! Fran thanks for the update Fran - any more pics of the production samples :-p... Disappointing for us, and I'm sure also for you at the further delay But well done for persevering and ensuring everything leaves the factory to spec, and for reassuring us that experienced staff with be put on the final preparation and packaging. I see that D9016 prototypically has a slight dip in the cantrail stripes (something I've only just noticed on the real thing!), and improved greatly to that on the angles on the pre-production samples. You might want the factory to check the nose end corner handrails - on your sample there they seem to be poking out a LONG way and exhibit the change in angle which, as designed, should be aligned with when the emerge from the body moulding. But its hard to tell with the low-res picture you have posted. Hopefully just a one off.... Jealous of those who ordered D9016 now, given the unique purple box...! But I guess makes up for the dazzling colour they are left with thundering round the layout. Just a shame the rest of us don't get blue and green boxes as well! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold McC Posted January 31, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 31, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, MikeParkin65 said: Presumably given the weight of these to ensure they dont arrive like Hornby's W1. Shows the different approach to product care - priority is to deliver a quality product in one piece to a satisfied customer. Exactly that. We do a lot of design work on our boxes and inner packing to ensure the product will not move in transit and drop tests to ensure it can’t break the packaging either. Bear in mind that Deltic is almost 750g. That’s a lot of structural packaging needed to ensure it arrives to your door the same way it leaves ours. Edited January 31, 2022 by McC 10 3 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium boxbrownie Posted January 31, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 31, 2022 1 hour ago, confused said: Ha ha, it will certainly do that to my boxes neatly packed in one big box. You can still have a strong box, eg. 'hard' cardboard like Kernows own branded special editions come in, and not the flimsy Hby/Bmann ones. I am not particularly green but its just huge. What a waste. Don’t worry, Fran will send yours in a Jiffy bag 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ollie K Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 58 minutes ago, McC said: Exactly that. We do a lot of design work on our boxes and inner packing to ensure the product will not move in transit and drop tests to ensure it can’t break the pacakaging either. Bear in mind that Deltic is almost 750g. That’s a lot of structural packaging needed to ensure it arrives to your door the same way it leaves ours. The chap on the Rails of Sheffield stand I spoke to about these some months back was not wrong about you guys ‘going to town’ on the packaging for these! Presumably the RoS editions come in the same box? 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Accurascale Fran Posted January 31, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 31, 2022 Hi everyone, As @McC states, these locos are heavy, and have to survive a 6 week journey by sea in a container (and whatever storms can be thrown at the ship in that time) as well as truck journeys two and from port, crane on and off the vessel, not to mention a journey in the postal system to customers. They're a highly detailed, expensive item and we have read (and experienced first hand!) models being damaged in that lengthy transit process. So, we have gone for a belt and braces approach to ensure you loco stands the best chance of getting to you in one piece. Also, you can just recycle the box once it arrives if that's your wish too. Cheers! Fran 9 2 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Accurascale Fran Posted January 31, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, OliverBytham said: The chap on the Rails of Sheffield stand I spoke to about these some months back was not wrong about you guys ‘going to town’ on the packaging for these! Presumably the RoS editions come in the same box? Hi @OliverBytham, Same box, but different lid. We will let Rails unveil that. Cheers! Fran 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 97406 Posted January 31, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 31, 2022 3 hours ago, confused said: Why such huge boxes? There’s actually 2 in there! 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 1 hour ago, boxbrownie said: Don’t worry, Fran will send yours in a Jiffy bag Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RozM Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 No need to apologize Fran. I'm sure they will be worth the little bit of extra waiting. I love the packaging. Just oozes quality. Wish I had ordered the purple beast now. Box looks great. Really looking forward to my four. Two from yourselves, one from Rails and one from Locomotion. Thanks for the update. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Roy Langridge Posted January 31, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 31, 2022 3 hours ago, confused said: I am not particularly green but its just huge. What a waste. Only a waste if it is not needed... Roy 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold StuAllen Posted January 31, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 31, 2022 The purple looks great - hope there are some cancellations - could be an opportunity to get one. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ikks Posted January 31, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 31, 2022 4 hours ago, Accurascale Fran said: Good morning @G-BOAF, I'm afraid not. As referred to above, the COVID outbreaks in China slowed production in the last couple of weeks which lost the factory up to 2 hours per day of productivity (every staff member is getting tested daily) and this hampered us at the final hurdle. We have also been assessing the production samples, and all is good apart from the lack of paint on the engine room detail which the factory forgot to do, so this will be done before they leave the factory. They are still tantalisingly close, but delivery now slips into Q2 from late Q1. We will have a more specific date when they arrive back in work in a few weeks. With so little left to do on them (apart from engine block painting) no sloppiness should creep in and any new workers would not be on a project this advanced on their first day. So rest assured quality would not be affected. We're sorry about the delay everyone, but once again the 'C' word (no not that one!) has nobbled us a bit at the very final hurdle. Thanks for your continued patience, and we will have these models above (and more!) available to view on our stand in Glasgow. Cheers! Fran God!, I'm so glad I didn't order a purple one ,NEVER be able to hide that box from SWMBO, looking forward to my green one though, have a brown paper bag waiting!!. Looks to be a brilliant model. Mike 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
philg Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 Question on the DCC interface (and sorry if this is covered somewhere in the previous 100+ pages!) but the Accurascale website says these have a 21MTX socket. Shouldnt this really be 21MTC? also, there are two different 21 pin “standards”. One has full voltage on all functions, the other has logic level for two of them. Which is the Deltic expecting? cheers phil g Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Decorum Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 (edited) Wow! Even the box is purple! I love it! No comments from the anti-purplers, though. They have probably all fainted! Posted just a little to late. ikks has just been revived. Edited January 31, 2022 by No Decorum Update. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-BOAF Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 3 hours ago, confused said: Ha ha, it will certainly do that to my boxes neatly packed in one big box. You can still have a strong box, eg. 'hard' cardboard like Kernows own branded special editions come in, and not the flimsy Hby/Bmann ones. I am not particularly green but its just huge. What a waste. I guess the difference between Kernow's special editions and this model are the weight of the thing. The Deltic promises to be heavier than any previous D&E model produced. Thinking in green terms, larger packaging will weigh a little more and take up slightly more shipping space, but will be a small increase compared to overall weight of model + packaging total. The environmental cost of having to ship hundreds of faulty models back to China for rectification will be far greater than the impact of slightly more packaging (especially when packaging itself is normally kept and not thrown away). Even more so if faulty returns have to be completely remanufactured (i.e. new body and part moldings, and all the heat energy and material input there), and old parts are consigned to waste. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold McC Posted January 31, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 31, 2022 2 minutes ago, G-BOAF said: I guess the difference between Kernow's special editions and this model are the weight of the thing. The Deltic promises to be heavier than any previous D&E model produced. "Final" Kerb weight confirmed: 7 2 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf27 Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 4 hours ago, confused said: Why such huge boxes? It’s so you can’t smuggle these past head office. I’ve already fessed up to getting one so when it arrives I’m not in any trouble. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-BOAF Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 10 minutes ago, McC said: "Final" Kerb weight confirmed: With or without, Loksound, speakers and capacitors? And (saying this quietly) presumably any future add-on of rotating fans gubbins will push this towards or over 850g...! Any any more pics of that lovely looking KOYLI????! (together with, I note the correctly raised BR crest compared with the pre-production samples.... So lovely to see all these tweaks coming through!) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold McC Posted January 31, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted January 31, 2022 This is a sound fitted model. More photos anon 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ERIC ALLTORQUE Posted January 31, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 31, 2022 We will need to be using oak to frame and leg our baseboards on loft layouts,one of my mates takes the micky as ive put so much work into the floor strength with comments like are you running real trains,looks like that might be true by the time you have fourty or fifty models up there,i take it thats grams not pounds on the scale........i was joking as for depleated uranium chassis. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Flying Pig Posted January 31, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 31, 2022 13 minutes ago, ERIC ALLTORQUE said: We will need to be using oak to frame and leg our baseboards on loft layouts,one of my mates takes the micky as ive put so much work into the floor strength with comments like are you running real trains,looks like that might be true by the time you have fourty or fifty models up there,i take it thats grams not pounds on the scale........i was joking as for depleated uranium chassis. Anyone remember the cartoon right back at the beginning of MRJ (possibly Issue 0)? Hole in base board with track disappearing therein. Two club members looking on glumly. Caption "How much weight did you put in that 40?" Now we can get the same results right out of the box. What a time to be alive! 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishdurham Posted January 31, 2022 Share Posted January 31, 2022 That is a nice sized box but will my postman place it in a mailbox with a door that is smaller than the box? Quite possibly! Done it before, but at that weight it will probably go through the floor anyway! Something to look forward to! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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