Matt Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 1 hour ago, Enterprisingwestern said: Schroedinger vehicles. Same reason as brake rigging and underframe detail is modelled on rolling stock? Mike. You want to put a cat in it? I’m no cat fan but that feels cruel…. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
andyman7 Posted July 3, 2023 Share Posted July 3, 2023 (edited) On 26/06/2023 at 14:13, brushman47544 said: Retailers won't split the packs as I'm sure doing so would invalidate the warranty and they wouldn't be able to send them back to Heljan individually if defective. That's not a showstopper. A dealer can split some packs and if one is returned swap it out with one from a complete pack in stock. Also, bearing in mind that a dealer is only (obviously) credited back with the trade value, a number are happy to dispose of returns at a discount. We are talking about a wagon, if there is one with a detail or decoration fault I am sure there would be plenty of modellers happy to get their hands on one at a discount price to weather/repaint/detail/modify Edited July 3, 2023 by andyman7 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold zr2498 Posted July 21, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 21, 2023 On 01/07/2023 at 13:27, zr2498 said: I sent a message to Heljan UK, asking for information re the design of the packaging. Alas no reply! I have seen comments from Heljan on this thread before so perhaps the information could be supplied here? Message from Heljan this morning. The 3 coaches will be in a single presentation box and not in individual boxes. This makes splitting them difficult so I will reduce my order to 1 pack. I've reduced order to one pack. Heljan are really missing an opportunity with this constraint on numbers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted August 3, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 3, 2023 It's worth noting that the blue EFE ones appear to be all TOPS coded NVX, which dates them to 1978 onwards. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Wright Posted August 25, 2023 Share Posted August 25, 2023 My review of the Heljan Newton Chambers 'Anglo-Scottish Car Carriers' will be in the next issue of BRM. I think they're rather good. Reading up on them, I came across different data. One source stated the individual vehicles carried six cars - two smaller ones in the well, and four larger ones on top. Another source stated up to three in in the well, and five on the top. I suppose it was dependent on the size of the cars. 12 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted August 27, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 27, 2023 (edited) On 25/08/2023 at 10:05, Tony Wright said: Reading up on them, I came across different data. One source stated the individual vehicles carried six cars - two smaller ones in the well, and four larger ones on top. Another source stated up to three in in the well, and five on the top. I suppose it was dependent on the size of the cars. That does seem logical but intriguing as well. How would BR know how many bookings it could accept? Accept bookings for larger cars and then stop once full, or limit numbers by size of car to maximise use of space? You might end up having turned away bookings unnecessarily. And what about loading? If the train was fully booked managing the cars by arrival and size could be a nightmare if the “wrong” cars arrived closest to departure time. Edited August 27, 2023 by brushman47544 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hodgson Posted August 27, 2023 Share Posted August 27, 2023 The restriction to "smaller" cars in the well might refer to their height rather than their length. The problem of fitting everything in also applies to car ferries, which ask for details (height/length) when you book, and BR probably did the same with these. As for loading them so they'll all fit efficiently without wasting space, that's down to staff experience on the ferries, and again the same logic would apply. All vehicles would be required to be there early enough to allow loading sufficiently before departure time and if you turn up late and they've already loaded those who didn't miss the cut-off time, you've probably missed your train unless they can still squeeze you in. If the staff make a mess of loading, no doubt the train's departure would be delayed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium ColinK Posted August 28, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 28, 2023 I once travelled on a France - England car ferry where they got the loading so very wrong the ship had a distinct lean to one side. Vehicles had to be taken off and reloaded, made it very late departing. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium 31A Posted August 28, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted August 28, 2023 14 hours ago, brushman47544 said: That does seem logical but intriguing as well. How would BR know how many bookings it could accept? Accept bookings for larger cars and then stop once full, or limit numbers by size of car to maximise use of space? You might end up having turned away bookings unnecessarily. I got involved with that a bit when I worked in a Travel Centre that handled Motorail bookings. I was trained on that job but don't remember actually having to cover it. We held the Reservation Charts for this particular Motorail service. It was formed of GUVs, not double deck CCTs. Length of vehicle was one of the items the customer completed on the booking form, and you then had to allocate spaces by juggling the cars between the railway vehicles to achieve the best fit. Sometimes it resulted in the train being 'full' to new applications for long vehicles, but a Mini (for example) could still be accommodated. 3 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted August 28, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted August 28, 2023 1 hour ago, 31A said: but a Mini (for example) could still be accommodated. Vertically? Mike. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
montyburns56 Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 4 hours ago, Enterprisingwestern said: Vertically? Mike. Nah, it was easier than that..... 2 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hodgson Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 5 minutes ago, montyburns56 said: Nah, it was easier than that..... What kind of coupling did they use ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Porcy Mane Posted August 28, 2023 Share Posted August 28, 2023 28 minutes ago, Michael Hodgson said: What kind of coupling did they use ? A rigid? 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeremyC Posted September 6, 2023 Share Posted September 6, 2023 (edited) On 25/08/2023 at 09:05, Tony Wright said: My review of the Heljan Newton Chambers 'Anglo-Scottish Car Carriers' will be in the next issue of BRM. <snip> Reading up on them, I came across different data. One source stated the individual vehicles carried six cars - two smaller ones in the well, and four larger ones on top. Another source stated up to three in in the well, and five on the top. I suppose it was dependent on the size of the cars. http://www.barrowmoremrg.co.uk/BRBDocuments/CS/Coaching_Stock_N2_web.pdf Diagram BR 820 - Two Tiered Covered Car Transporter Capacity is given as 12 1/2tons - six cars or seven small cars For what its worth the diagram shows car outlines and depicts: Top Deck: 2 small cars and 2 large cars (arranged small, large, large, small) Well: 2 sports cars One assumes this was only illustrative! Edited September 6, 2023 by JeremyC 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rembrow Posted September 16, 2023 Share Posted September 16, 2023 I'm hoping these are nearly at Heljan, as they advised on Facebook that they were on board the shipping vessel on 6th August. They will arrive in Denmark (Heljan) first, before distribution to UK retailers. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rembrow Posted September 27, 2023 Share Posted September 27, 2023 Rails have posted today, on their website, that the Newton Chambers packs are on their way to them, so must have been despatched from Heljan in Denmark, to UK retailers. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Opelsi Posted October 3, 2023 Share Posted October 3, 2023 Paid for mine yesterday following request from TMC, excited now! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trains4U Posted October 6, 2023 Share Posted October 6, 2023 Our stock has just arrived! 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jessy1692 Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 Payment to Rails gone out this week from me so hopefully these will be landing on layouts soon 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
rembrow Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 1 hour ago, jessy1692 said: Payment to Rails gone out this week from me so hopefully these will be landing on layouts soon Rails dispatched mine yesterday and this morning DPD have advised delivery this morning. I never expected to have this prototype in model form, we really are going through a golden period. Am going to use Rule 1 and run them with my maroon Thompsons and a green Class 40. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jessy1692 Posted October 7, 2023 Share Posted October 7, 2023 (edited) 13 minutes ago, rembrow said: Rails dispatched mine yesterday and this morning DPD have advised delivery this morning. I never expected to have this prototype in model form, we really are going through a golden period. Am going to use Rule 1 and run them with my maroon Thompsons and a green Class 40. O nice, I havnt seen a tracking note as yet but in no huge rush, like you say I never thought I'd see these RTR and was about yo get some Southern Pride ones snapped up. Iv gone for the early blue and grey ones so can justify a green blue and maroon mix. Also my main aim is to run them with a 40 and a mk1 pullman second and a blue and grey thompson bsk converted to a sleeper amongst some other mk1s for the york-inverness motorail! Edited October 7, 2023 by jessy1692 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ac1874 Posted October 8, 2023 Share Posted October 8, 2023 What would have hauled these in the 80s? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted October 8, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 8, 2023 9 hours ago, ac1874 said: What would have hauled these in the 80s? Class 47 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MikeParkin65 Posted October 9, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 9, 2023 Rails email today saying that these will also be available singularly for £67.95 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold ruggedpeak Posted October 9, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 9, 2023 7 minutes ago, MikeParkin65 said: Rails email today saying that these will also be available singularly for £67.95 https://railsofsheffield.com/blogs/news/Heljan-announce-car-transporter-coach-packs £67.95 each. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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