Baby Deltic Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 70006 was tucked inside L97 (Basford Hall - Felixstowe) through Tamworth @ 09:27 this morning. I wondered what loco that was when I caught a glimpse of the freightliner at Marks Tey as I drove on the A12 this afternoon. Was it a 66 on the front? I only noticed the train as I was passing in the opposite direction. The class 70 coupled inside was unmistakeable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
big T Posted December 8, 2009 Share Posted December 8, 2009 I wondered what loco that was when I caught a glimpse of the freightliner at Marks Tey as I drove on the A12 this afternoon. Was it a 66 on the front? I only noticed the train as I was passing in the opposite direction. The class 70 coupled inside was unmistakeable. Yes mate it was 66594. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold beast66606 Posted December 10, 2009 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 10, 2009 See this thread for 70005s adventure to the Wirral on 10/12/2009 http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php/topic/5275-first-class-70-to-the-wirral/ B) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium jamie92208 Posted December 13, 2009 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 13, 2009 70004 has been on Midland Road Leeds all weekend tuked in a long line of 66's next to the main line. Jamie Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold big jim Posted December 14, 2009 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 14, 2009 finally saw one today in the distance sat in basford hall yard (i was in my car on the A500 shavington bypass) a quick call to the guy in our control, who did a search of tops and found out it was 70002!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gronk the shunter Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 Seems a bit weird to think about this but with climate change and the sudden swing towards electrification are we looking at the last new diesel locos/ trains ever for the UK? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bennyboy Posted December 15, 2009 Share Posted December 15, 2009 Seems a bit weird to think about this but with climate change and the sudden swing towards electrification are we looking at the last new diesel locos/ trains ever for the UK? I doubt it as there will always be parts of the network that carry freight trains, but with not enough traffic to justify electrifying them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 If DBS decide to order a replacement for the Tugs, rather than re-build them or do without; I suppose there's always the possibilty of another type being introduced, such as a slimmed down European gauge loco, GM's new replacement for the Shed or a Chinese cheapy. On the Green note.... You may not be aware that GE, GM and others are now busy working on Hybrid power for the next generation of "self-powered" locos. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burkitt Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 Seems a bit weird to think about this but with climate change and the sudden swing towards electrification are we looking at the last new diesel locos/ trains ever for the UK? Well, it's possible we've already seen the last orders of DMUs, as I understand that the latest EU emissions rules make new underfloor engines pretty uneconomical. But I think it's likely that as we come out of the recession and the 66s start to wear out, and with the 60s withdrawn, we'll see at least one more freight diesel order from DB, probably from one of the European manufacturers. Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gronk the shunter Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 I'm interested as to why you think loco's would come from a european manufacturer Burkitt. Apart from the 67's being built in Spain with GM bits and the romanian 56's have any locos ever been built and designed by a european manufacturer? I still think that the 70 may be the last ever new diesel, (but maybe we'll see another batch for DRS or someone,) after all which bank will put up the money for an oil burner with a 30 year life when oil reserves are due to run out in its life time in addition to the PR problem of emissions during climate change. Who knows what financial penalties future governments will impose on emissions? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted December 16, 2009 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 16, 2009 70003 was sat in the yard at Stoke Gifford yesterday afternoon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Burkitt Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 I'm interested as to why you think loco's would come from a european manufacturer Burkitt. Mainly because I think DB is more likely to order from one of their usual European suppliers than from a US company. I also think that if they wanted some form of hybrid 25kV AC / diesel loco to take advantage of electrification, the European companies would be more likely to be able to produce such a thing, as they have more experience of electric locos. All this is pure speculation though, so it could be total nonsense. Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clagmeister Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 I bet Siemens and Traxx are working on a UK variant as we speak. DRS may be more likely to re engine their 37's. The old 38 project could be re started. cheerio Ober Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oakydoke Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Apart from the 67's being built in Spain with GM bits and the romanian 56's have any locos ever been built and designed by a european manufacturer? Do you mean "...have any locos for the UK ever been built and designed by a european manufacturer?" ? There's a very strong loco building industry in mainland Europe of course. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted December 17, 2009 RMweb Gold Share Posted December 17, 2009 Do you mean "...have any locos for the UK ever been built and designed by a european manufacturer?" ? Built - yes; designed - I can't think of any offhand but it's always possible that something for industrial use came via that route. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Seems a bit weird to think about this but with climate change and the sudden swing towards electrification are we looking at the last new diesel locos/ trains ever for the UK? I doubt it as there will always be parts of the network that carry freight trains, but with not enough traffic to justify electrifying them. ....I still think that the 70 may be the last ever new diesel... ....after all which bank will put up the money for an oil burner with a 30 year life when oil reserves are due to run out in its life time in addition to the PR problem of emissions during climate change. Who knows what financial penalties future governments will impose on emissions? There's an assumption here that "Diesel" powerplants will remain the same as they have been and that the alternative is to switch to electric, but this ignores various changes that are happenning or could be done to improve the emissions and fuel consumption of "Self powered" traction. As an example, the new class 70, like many new types being built or planned, has been designed to be more fuel efficient and as a result is supposed to produce less nasties out of its exhaust. But that's just the beginning. There's a lot of work being done by the manufacturers to find ways of making much bigger reductions in CO2, not only from straight diesel but from "Diesel Hybrid" and other "Self-Powered" trains/locos. This is not a UK-only issue and as pointed out, putting up wires all over is not only impractical on some parts of the UK network, it is very unlikely that it will ever happen on large parts of the planets railways. Self-Power is here to stay (well...until everything goes "t**s-up") even if the UK become predominantly electric for powering its railways. ....You may not be aware that GE, GM and others are now busy working on Hybrid power for the next generation of "self-powered" locos. ......I also think that if they wanted some form of hybrid 25kV AC / diesel loco to take advantage of electrification, the European companies would be more likely to be able to produce such a thing, as they have more experience of electric locos..... I bet Siemens and Traxx are working on a UK variant as we speak.... Diesel-Hybrid (Diesel + Batteries + re-generative brakes etc) is one area actively being developed at the moment for diesel locos, but I suppose it's possible to look at Bi-Mode power using Diesel-Hybrid and Electric if it can be squeezed into a reasonably sized package. The Hitachi SET's due to be ordered for the Inter-City Express Programme (IEP) can be configured in such a Bi-Mode for mixed electricified and non-electrified routes, but it requires two power-supply vehicles and distributed traction. Stuffing that all into a necessarily heavy freight loco may be a bit of a challenge. (some clever s*d will probably mention the class 73 after this... ) Well, it's possible we've already seen the last orders of DMUs, as I understand that the latest EU emissions rules make new underfloor engines pretty uneconomical...... For the same reasons I gave above, there will still always be a need for "Self-Powered" trains and that includes passenger MU's, whether powered by diesel or alternative means. New rules and market forces (fuel prices) will require that significant change is now required in the way that these are built and powered. In yesterdays "Times" newspaper there was a series of articles covering these sort of issues and rail was specifically discussed in a couple of those. As an example of what is being looked at.... Seimens' new Desiro City - 25% lighter than the current Desiro fleet. The diesel version (these are produced for European and worldwide markets too) would also employ technology to reduce fuel consumption and emissions by a significant amount. Other developments that may be utilised in new "Self-Powered" trains include.... exhaust heat energy recovery and more efficient turbo-charging, diesel hybrid engines, alternative fuels such as future 2nd and 3rd gen Bio-fuels, Fuel-Cell power, automatic Stop-Start engine control, computer assisted engine/driving management linked to timetable and signalling control, lighter construction and interior fitments (e.g. using composite materials) and more energy efficient on-board systems and services. Even with the large benefits of switching to electric power, some of these developments will be of benefit to EMU's too. . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gronk the shunter Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 There's an assumption here that "Diesel" powerplants will remain the same as they have been and that the alternative is to switch to electric, but this ignores various changes that are happenning or could be done to improve the emissions and fuel consumption of "Self powered" traction. . That s why I said initially the last DIESEL loco/train. Hydrogen fuel cells/hybrid-electric/battery locos, something like that will take over pretty soon I'd think. Atomic powered trains anyone? Anyone think that in 40 years when the last diesel runs (wonder if 66's or 70's will last that long) there'll be the same nostalgia as in 1968 when the last steam train ran? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baby Deltic Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 That s why I said initially the last DIESEL loco/train. Hydrogen fuel cells/hybrid-electric/battery locos, something like that will take over pretty soon I'd think. Atomic powered trains anyone? Anyone think that in 40 years when the last diesel runs (wonder if 66's or 70's will last that long) there'll be the same nostalgia as in 1968 when the last steam train ran? There was plenty of nostalgia when the last Wizzo's and Deltic's ran, let alone the last diesel loco's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Trainshed Terry Posted December 18, 2009 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 18, 2009 gronk the shunter, on 17 December 2009 - 15:42 , said: Atomic powered trains anyone?" I hope that never happens as for it would be a great target for terrorist. As for the diesel powered locos, there is not a infinite supply of oil to keep the locos running as for electric traction, is electricity a sustainable source of energy. I fear it might not be. Terry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yarnham Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 Think the nickname "betty" is a bit erm Rubbish to be polite. You have the most powerful loco in the UK yet it has a very girly name. it would be like nicknaming a US Aircraft Carrier "Chi-Chi" and everytime someone mentions "Betty" I just think of Frank Spensor! It's not an ideal nickname for a loco: if it wer human it would punch you in the face, steal your girlfriend, your car then marry your mother - Not sit knitting in a nursing home. I do recall howmany nicknames were bandied around when the 67's first appeared some rather elaborate before everyone settled to call them "skips" Anyway found this on t'web earlier and think that the 70's may have had the headlights manufactured in Sandbach! http://estb.msn.com/i/27/CAEEBAB1E2B0E03654C22B8EE6BD41.jpg Seasons Greetings, Giles Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steadfast Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 Bettys...Fuglys...Predators...whatever we call them, they sound mean. Just like a TIE fighter, with some added chugging. Far better than the whining from a 66 working hard. Maybe Twin Ion technology is the answer for future traction Here's 70003 passing Hall End with 4Z70 Rugeley - Stoke Gifford coal empties about 25 to one this lunchtime. Man it was cold out cheers jo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baby Deltic Posted December 18, 2009 Share Posted December 18, 2009 This is the best clip I've seen, as far as sound is concerned. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted December 19, 2009 Share Posted December 19, 2009 Eleven pages so far and I've still not laid my eyes on one yet !! Had our Inspector who is passed out on them ride with me on a job on Thursday, he seemed very impressed with their capabilities and told me more about their internals and the gizmos fitted in the cab. It appears they can operate in mult with 66s, the 'start up / prep / disposal' procedure is much simpler than a 66, and they can be pre-programmed for frost precautions to start up on their own which is handy. Nidge Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Gary H Posted December 19, 2009 RMweb Premium Share Posted December 19, 2009 This is the best clip I've seen, as far as sound is concerned. They sound every bit like their C44-9W cousin so thats no bad thing! Even the T motors sound the same. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
250BOB Posted December 31, 2009 Share Posted December 31, 2009 I'm told that all 6 are now laid up with ongoing faults/problems....is that right.?? Certainly 3 were idle at Basford Hall on Tuesday this week, Nos...3, 5 and 6. I saw them. Bob. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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