RMweb Premium Clive Mortimore Posted November 13, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 13, 2013 Whatever this surprise loco will be by Heljan at the NEC, will no doubt gather interest no doubt. As long as it is affordable in some way, then I will most likely buy it, whenever it gets released. Has Heljan ever been in the DMU/DEMU/EMU market at all?. Maybe one of them, who knows Hi Hornbyfan They have done a couple of railbuses and a Class 128 Parcels single car (probably the best DMU). They to date have not done a "proper" multiple unit. A Class 116 would be wonderful, but would settle for a Cross Country unit (either class 120 or 119, not too fussy), or a Swindon intercity unit or even just a Class 104. As for an EMU, something GER suburban would be great, but as Andi says they should really stay away from AC sparks. Whoops gone into wishlist mode. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
HornbyA3Fan Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 I do like the 128 and railbus's. Can't wait to see the Baby Deltic project if I'm not too mistaken. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
298 Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 5 pages in and no-one has questioned their lunacy for announcing an electric model, but without a full range of conductor rail accessories. You can't have an electric loco in your range without masts/wires/rails/feeder stations, you know... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Smith Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Unless you 'tow' it behind something that only needs two rails............seriously though Peco does some decent 3rd/4th rail accessories or The Scalefour Society does correct scale insulators and conductor rail. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
frobisher Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Traksy, on 13 Nov 2013 - 20:12, said: Yes, and the class 68 as a 0 years old locomotive and it already is getting a model. Clearly it has nothing to do with age. And I'm not even remotely convinced Sarah Siddons will turn more profit than a 90. The difference is expectation. You'd expect the LT B0-B0 to be an expensive limited production run (and as such Heljan will expect it to make a profit on the first 500 produced), conversely the market probably would rebel at a "bread and butter" loco such as the 90 at the same price point, so you'd have to make and sell a lot more to make the same profit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 Well of curse it'll be a LT battery-electric loco..................... Secretly wishing for a Class 71 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roy P Posted November 13, 2013 Share Posted November 13, 2013 The Heljan announcement mentions the Met-Vic Bo-Bos. Clearly "Sarah Siddons" will be the star turn but there are options with regard to names, numbers and liveries for the whole class. As is suggested,Heljan would probably seek to cover the cost and turn a profit purely on sales of No.12 as preserved and running at LU150. Enthusiasts may wish to buy other examples of the 20 locos in the five principle livery variations and maybe some of the less well known schemes. The LT museum may have some say in this if they choose to commission further examples with saleable names. . Regarding the 3rd/4th rail issue; I wonder how many Hornby 5bel, 2bil and 4vep or Bachmann 2epb, 4cep or mlv run over the juice. Even if a large proportion of models end up in a display cabinet most of the time and get played with when no ones looking, they still earn the same income for the factory. Many of EFE's unpowered 38/59 stock sets sold out very quickly and thinking of EFE, what proportion of the buses they sell are LT red? Just a thought that a Met Bo-Bo might not be so whacky as it may appear. In any case I doubt if anyone asked themselves "Shall we do a class 90 or something weird instead" RP Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 As all of these new releases are to be 00 gauge, I suspect an O gauge reveal of some sort. I wonder though, is there room for another new player in the N gauge arena? It would seem a waste to not try and capitalise on the existing Class 86 chassis tooling thats probably now gathering copious amounts of dust on a shelf somewhere, for either an 87 or a 90 or to get back to the drawing board and redesign their 86 body. Not a lot wrong with the bottom half of the model was there? Half the works done. Anyway I doubt it, I'm biased to AC's where my interest mainly lies. I wont kid myself Heljan are interested in doing anymore with their 86. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lapford34102 Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 I suspect an O gauge reveal of some sort. That's my feeling as well. An "O" gauge Class 03 would attract a lot of ditherers. Stu Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Oldddudders Posted November 14, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 14, 2013 You can't have an electric loco in your range without masts/wires/rails/feeder stations, you know... We know you know how to do that, and have a very fine tee-shirt to prove it! Actually, 3rd/4th rail needs a darn sight less talent to install than believable catenary, although you can go the whole hog and make it working, of course - as was commonly the case in models in the '50s, before 2-rail systems became the norm. Elsewhere on RMweb people are talking about the potential success of models of "whacky" prototypes, and noting that even if only half successful, these things fly off the shelves through showroom appeal far more quickly than the most accurate but humble black 0-6-0. The Met electric must come in the same category, even if they never got further north than Ricky. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talltim Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Yep, the class 128 and the wagonmasher And the Danish IC3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJM Dave Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 The Heljan announcement mentions the Met-Vic Bo-Bos. Clearly "Sarah Siddons" will be the star turn but there are options with regard to names, numbers and liveries for the whole class. As is suggested,Heljan would probably seek to cover the cost and turn a profit purely on sales of No.12 as preserved and running at LU150. Enthusiasts may wish to buy other examples of the 20 locos in the five principle livery variations and maybe some of the less well known schemes. The LT museum may have some say in this if they choose to commission further examples with saleable names. . Regarding the 3rd/4th rail issue; I wonder how many Hornby 5bel, 2bil and 4vep or Bachmann 2epb, 4cep or mlv run over the juice. Even if a large proportion of models end up in a display cabinet most of the time and get played with when no ones looking, they still earn the same income for the factory. Many of EFE's unpowered 38/59 stock sets sold out very quickly and thinking of EFE, what proportion of the buses they sell are LT red? Just a thought that a Met Bo-Bo might not be so whacky as it may appear. In any case I doubt if anyone asked themselves "Shall we do a class 90 or something weird instead" RP Hi Roy, TFL will have the biggest say, as you need a license to use the logo (and boy are they on the ball), however it may all fall down if my info regarding the blue team being in the driving seat for this model ( in conjunction with the 150 celebrations) proves correct. By the way my info was from a top guy within TFL/LU. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
298 Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 We know you know how to do that, and have a very fine tee-shirt to prove it! Actually, 3rd/4th rail needs a darn sight less talent to install than believable catenary, although you can go the whole hog and make it working, of course - as was commonly the case in models in the '50s, before 2-rail systems became the norm. Elsewhere on RMweb people are talking about the potential success of models of "whacky" prototypes, and noting that even if only half successful, these things fly off the shelves through showroom appeal far more quickly than the most accurate but humble black 0-6-0. The Met electric must come in the same category, even if they never got further north than Ricky. 3rd/4th rail still needs to be observed to be modelled correctly, such as where ramps are used and feeder wires go (which only results in putners asking if the conductor rails are live or commenting that the layout isn't very good as they can see the track feeds...). Sarah Siddons did reach Crewe for an open day in 1997. The class 71 was in the same convoy, should anyone be putting two and two together.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stevelewis Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 We know you know how to do that, and have a very fine tee-shirt to prove it! Actually, 3rd/4th rail needs a darn sight less talent to install than believable catenary, although you can go the whole hog and make it working, of course - as was commonly the case in models in the '50s, before 2-rail systems became the norm. Elsewhere on RMweb people are talking about the potential success of models of "whacky" prototypes, and noting that even if only half successful, these things fly off the shelves through showroom appeal far more quickly than the most accurate but humble black 0-6-0. The Met electric must come in the same category, even if they never got further north than Ricky. Just as an aside, I built and used OHL on my G scale line in the garden spme years back now when we went thro' a Swiss RhB phase, it was fairly easy (ish) to build in install and it worked fine, the negative point was though it was NOISY! In that the pantographs on the locos tended to make a sort of squeaky swishing noise, not too bad on a breeszy day but it did get a bit tedious when everywhere was still and quiet! I will probably buy a Met electric or 2* I quite like them, although there is no 00 layout here at the moment, It could be run on the 0n30when no one is looking *Sherlock Holmes would find a home here! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Downer Posted November 14, 2013 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 14, 2013 *Sherlock Holmes would find a home here! Just what I was thinking. I grew up near Northwick Park, and remember these guys humming by while my brother and I used the two trees near the park entrance as a goal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Smith Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 DJM Dave - excuse my ignorance but what does TFL stand for? and what is the Blue Team? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted November 14, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 14, 2013 DJM Dave - excuse my ignorance but what does TFL stand for? and what is the Blue Team? TFL = Transport For London The blue team = Bachmann (who use blue boxes) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 ...or the Danish team. In my case. (who use blue boxes) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Smith Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Thanks - have been away since 1988 - I think it was just LT then! So Blue Team could be either? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Joseph_Pestell Posted November 14, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 14, 2013 TFL = Transport For London The blue team = Bachmann (who use blue boxes) Being pedantic, that should be TfL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenman Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Being pedantic, that should be TfL. I'm not sure it should. When the British Film Institute went through a particular phase of "branding" they decided that their name should always be written in lower-case, italic and bold - bfi. But I think that applies only to people who are trying to duplicate the corporate style whereas if I'm writing about the organisation and wish to use a three-letter acronym to describe them, I can't see any reason why I shouldn't be free to write it in the usually-accepted way - BFI or TFL. How organisations choose to brand themselves is one thing, but they can't seek to impose a whole new writing convention on everyone else! Paul Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bernard Lamb Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Website is called tfl but items on it are headed TfL. Confuses locals let alone people like Jeff who live across the pond. Interesting machine. I wonder if it is stretching a point to pretend that it got as far as Brill? Bernard Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Smith Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 The bottom line would surely be what acronym style is used by the particular organisation in its internal and external communications..... Unfortunately I don't think Brill was electrified.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonny777 Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 From Model Rail on Facebook The Danish company has also confirmed the types and identities of the Gresley '02' 2-8-0s and Hunslet Class 05 shunters in development for 2014/15: OO LNER/BR class 02 'Tango' 2-8-0 Proposed models - version 1 - class 02/3 with high running plate and 'stepped' tender 3910 - LNER 3965 in LNER black 3911 - BR 63954 in early BRITISH RAILWAYS black 3912 - BR 63948 in BR black with early crest 3913 - BR 63952 in BR black with late crest Proposed models - version 2 - class 02/4 with high running plate and 'flush' tender 3920 - LNER 3962 in LNER black 3921 - BR 63983 in BR black with early crest 3922 - BR 63975 in BR black with late crest 3923 - BR 63982 in BR black with late crest Ooooh, lovely lovely. That is 5 locos for me My only problem is that in the ABC I am looking at 63948 was an O2/4 and 63975 was an O2/3, but it is a minor point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xerces Fobe2 Posted November 14, 2013 Share Posted November 14, 2013 Many of EFE's unpowered 38/59 stock sets sold out very quickly and thinking of EFE, what proportion of the buses they sell are LT red? RP It is worth noting here that Bachmann is now the distributor of EFE models so a RTR tube train could become a reality! XF Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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