Dave F's photos - ongoing - more added each day

[ben pez]

Great photos as always dave

 

And again!... At the time the photo was taken,not a second thought about the ford anglias etc in the foreground! Which now really becomes something to look at!

 

Cheers

 

Ben

[leopardml2341]

I suspect the eastbound coal in C631, are probably empties, that was the normal flow?

[Ian Smeeton]

Coal went both ways!

 

Regards

 

Ian

[number6]

 That catch point could be for run away trains, but worked by the signalman, rather than being sprung points

So if you were the signalman in the unenviable position of setting the route for the valley bottom you may have questioned why this catch point couldn't have been either somewhere west of the viaduct or east of the station to make clearing up the mess a bit easier?

[DaveF]

Some ECML photos this afternoon.  Near St Neots in November 1970 and Sandy in August 1974.

 

 

St Neots Class 46 up empty cement Nov 70 J2458

 

 

St Neots Class 31 12.29 Kings X to Huntingdon Nov 70 J2459

 

 

St Neots Class 47 1968 13.10 Kings X to Leeds/Bradford Nov 70 J2460

 

 

Sandy Class 31 up freight Aug 74 C1775

 

 

Sandy Class 31 down ecs  11.55MO Ferme Park to Doncaster Aug 74 C1780

 

 

Sandy Class 47 13.20 Kings X to Leeds/Bradford Aug 74 C1781

 

 

David

Edited April 23, 2016 by DaveF

[brushman47544]

Like the photo with what I presume if the line to St Ives on the embankment behind the 31. And a heavy load for the 31 as well - I wouldn't have wanted to be on the train behind it.

Edited April 23, 2016 by brushman47544

[russ p]

That picture also shows two airbrakes opens using their vacuum through pipes. They would later become OAB

[caradoc]

C1775; The line behind the train is the Bedford route, rising before crossing the ECML. Great photos as always. 

[mark54]

J2458 will be a class 46 as the train is Air-braked.

J2459 is more likely to be the 12:29SO KX-Huntingdon (if the photo was taken on a Saturday)

1L16 was the 13:20 KX-Leeds/Bradford in the 1970 photo and the same train retimed to 13:10 in the 1974 photo

5D30 was 11:55MO Ferme Park to Doncaster ECS

[Mallard60022]

Good grief, Sandy has changed; I was through there last Saturday (non stop so it was a very brief glimpse).

That 31 on the 'mixed' freight is a classic. Look at the 'weathering' and the variety of wagon/van.

Phil

[DaveF]

J2458 will be a class 46 as the train is Air-braked.

J2459 is more likely to be the 12:29SO KX-Huntingdon (if the photo was taken on a Saturday)

1L16 was the 13:20 KX-Leeds/Bradford in the 1970 photo and the same train retimed to 13:10 in the 1974 photo

5D30 was 11:55MO Ferme Park to Doncaster ECS

 

 

Mark,  

 

Many thanks once again.

 

Monday would make sense for the Sandy photos, I was on my way to Essex to find some digs until a flat I was going to rent was ready

 

David

[Clive Mortimore]

J2458 will be a class 46 as the train is Air-braked.

J2459 is more likely to be the 12:29SO KX-Huntingdon (if the photo was taken on a Saturday)

1L16 was the 13:20 KX-Leeds/Bradford in the 1970 photo and the same train retimed to 13:10 in the 1974 photo

5D30 was 11:55MO Ferme Park to Doncaster ECS

Hi Mark

 

It is a class 46, it has plain doors on the battery boxes. The battery boxes on the refurbished class 45s have a X shaped pressing on them, otherwise it is hard to tell apart refurbished class 46s and 45s. All class 45s were also air-braked in the end.

Edited April 23, 2016 by Clive Mortimore

[Enterprisingwestern]

Salivating over the bogie vee tanks Dave, but tantalisingly distant for a close up of the tank top details, (how can you tell it's one of the many projects underway?).

 

Mike.

[Market65]

Hi, Dave. What excellent photo's of the ECML at St Neots and Sandy. I would have thought the train to Huntingdon would have been a DMU. Obviously I am wrong about that!

The freight hauled by a 31 is a classic and full of interest, including, as mentioned, the weathering on the 31. It would make a good modelling project.

 

With warmest regards,

 

Rob.

[leopardml2341]

I suspect the eastbound coal in C631, are probably empties, that was the normal flow?

  

Coal went both ways!

 

Regards

 

Ian

What would be the need/reason please?

[Enterprisingwestern]

  

What would be the need/reason please?

 

Wrong type of coal/wrong type of industry depending on which side of the Pennines you were standing.

To generalise, power station coal went westwards, and steel industry coal went eastwards, domestic coal made runs either way depending on the contract in force at the time, pits didn't produce coal willy nilly, it was all tendered for and flows adjusted accordingly.

 

Mike.

[leopardml2341]

Wrong type of coal/wrong type of industry depending on which side of the Pennines you were standing.

To generalise, power station coal went westwards, and steel industry coal went eastwards, domestic coal made runs either way depending on the contract in force at the time, pits didn't produce coal willy nilly, it was all tendered for and flows adjusted accordingly.

 

Mike.

Thanks Mike, explanations are always better than just a statement.

[DaveF]

  

What would be the need/reason please?

 

 

Wrong type of coal/wrong type of industry depending on which side of the Pennines you were standing.

To generalise, power station coal went westwards, and steel industry coal went eastwards, domestic coal made runs either way depending on the contract in force at the time, pits didn't produce coal willy nilly, it was all tendered for and flows adjusted accordingly.

 

Mike.

 

 

I've had another look at my Woodhead photos and looked in a few books.

 

Most of the photos show coal heading west, a few show coal eastbound.

 

It is possible that my photo C631 is in fact empties, I've enlarged my original scan and am not sure whether it is loaded or empties.  My notes suggest it was loaded, but 45 years is a bit too long ago for me to remember whether I wrote the notes at the time or from my memory after I got the slides back from the film processor.

 

David

[D.Platt]

Hi David,                                                                                                                                                                                                        As someone who only found this site a few weeks back, I like many before me wish to thank you for all the time and trouble that you have gone to for all for us ,loved your dads old black and white photos and on your collection we just don't know which era you will post.              I stayed at a certain line side hotel last week just north of York an area from where you have plenty of photos ,like others there I was thinking of all the verity that is now missing,  all freight class 66 hauled,  three car Trans- Pennine units on what were yesterdays main line services ,and that's where I admire you in the fact you point your camera and record everything ,common sights today but tomorrows history !       Some of my favorite photos are Man Victoria ,Crewe and the Woodhead line ,did you ever get to Guide Bridge?                                      Thanks again      Dennis

[DaveF]

Hi David,                                                                                                                                                                                                        As someone who only found this site a few weeks back, I like many before me wish to thank you for all the time and trouble that you have gone to for all for us ,loved your dads old black and white photos and on your collection we just don't know which era you will post.              I stayed at a certain line side hotel last week just north of York an area from where you have plenty of photos ,like others there I was thinking of all the verity that is now missing,  all freight class 66 hauled,  three car Trans- Pennine units on what were yesterdays main line services ,and that's where I admire you in the fact you point your camera and record everything ,common sights today but tomorrows history !       Some of my favorite photos are Man Victoria ,Crewe and the Woodhead line ,did you ever get to Guide Bridge?                                      Thanks again      Dennis

 

 

Dennis,  

 

Many thanks for the comments, I'm pleased you are enjoying the photos. Both Dad and I took photos of just about everything that came along, within the limitations of our film budgets.

 

I quite often went past Guide Bridge on the train between 1968 and 1972 but never got around to taking any photos there.

 

Looking at my notes I took photos at 2162 locations while I was using slide film, up to 2003.  That figure includes my photos in Europe.  I've never counted the places Dad got to.  So there are quite a lot of places I never got to.

 

David

[DaveF]

A few photos from Steamtown, Carnforth for this afternoon.

 

 

Steamtown Barclay 0-4-0ST John Howe ex British Gypsum Feb 73C1186

 

 

Steamtown SNCF ex PLM 231K22 5th June 76 C2750

 

 

Steamtown Hunslet 0-6-0DS (McAlpine's) & LNER B1 1306 Mayflower 6th June 76 C2768

 

 

Steamtown coaling plant 8th August 87 C8810

 

 

Steamtown ex BR 03 D2381  8th August 87 C8815

 

 

David

[DaveF]

Not so many locos and  trains to be seen in today's second batch.  You may think that some are a little bit off the beaten track.

 

They are all Dad's photos, taken in June 1969, probably on a Saturday.

 

 

New Mills New Town LNWR Class 104 Manchester to Buxton June 69 J1734

 

 

New Mills MR viaduct June 69 J1735

 

 

New Mills Central GC and MR June 69 J1736

 

 

Renishaw Iron Works Brush 200hp shunter No 23  1961, Wks No Brush 341/Beyer Peacock 7948 June 69 J1745

 

 

Pleasley MR at lower level and GNR at higher level June 69 J1749

 

 

David

Edited April 27, 2016 by DaveF

[highpeakman]

What great shots of New Mills, Pleasley and Renishaw. They give the "feel" and atmosphere of the time.

 

Even your pics without trains bring the memories back.

 

Thanks again for doing this thread.

[35A]

Lovely to see some of the old Buxton-based 104s in J1734. It was always easy to identify them from the white cab roofs. At the time I used to think that it was just a bit of Buxton personalisation, like the later Stratford silver roofs etc. I'm beginning to wonder now if this was actually an early application (as they are currently doing with the Class 91s) of an idea to reduce cab temperatures by reflecting the sunlight - after all, the 104s contained a lot of glass at the front!

[russ p]

Two great sets again Dave.

Has the carnforth coaling tower ever worked in preservation? I know that it's now threatened with demolition which is a real shame