Dave F's photos - ongoing - more added each day

[iands]

J1581 just love the 16t being unloaded as well as the 31s on the ore train. 

[DaveF]

2 locations beginning with H and both on the Great Central for an early afternoon replacement batch.  That's about all they have in common.

 

Habrough is to the west of Grimsby, while Hazelhead Bridge is between Penistone and Dunford Bridge on the Wodhead route.

 

 

Habrough Class 114 Doncaster to Cleethorpes Aug 70 J2175

 

 

Habrough Class 114 Cleethorpes to New Holland 11th Aug 77 C3463

 

 

Habrough 150133 Cleethorpes to Newark 30th May 91 C15874

 

 

Hazelhead Bridge Class 76 up goods Aug 67 J1089

 

 

Hazelhead Bridge 26036 up light engine Aug 67 J1090

 

 

David

Edited December 29, 2022 by DaveF

[woodenhead]

@DaveF If you were at Hazelhead, you didn't yomp a few hundred yards down the line to Dunford Bridge East box and the old sorting sidings did you?  Not many pics of that location.

[DaveF]

33 minutes ago, woodenhead said:

@DaveF If you were at Hazelhead, you didn't yomp a few hundred yards down the line to Dunford Bridge East box and the old sorting sidings did you?  Not many pics of that location.

 

As far as I know I haven't any photos of there.

 

David

[DaveF]

Bullwell Common on the Great Central in black and white days for the next set of images.

 

 

Bulwell Common  O4 63583 up goods c1952 JVol7161

 

 

 

Bulwell Common A5 69809 pass Mansfield to Nottingham Victoria c1952 JVol4103

 

 

Bulwell Common B1 ex pass Manchester to Marylebone 1947  JVol7369

 

 

Bulwell Common C12 propelling Annesly Dido c1951 JVol4101

 

 

Bulwell Common J39 64807 shunting c1950 JVol3106

 

 

David

[corneliuslundie]

A lovely example of a patched probably ex-PO coal wagon in the last photo.

Jonathan

[Market65]

Good evening, David. That’s fantastic set of replacement photo’s of Lincoln Central with one of the GN/GE goods line. The first photo’ of Lincoln goods, with two class 31’s, with D5574 leading, on an iron ore train, in April, 1969, is a great view, and, on the left, can be seen a wagon being unloaded. I’ve not seen many photo’s of such an unloading, and it’s certainly most interesting.

The photo’s of two places beginning with the letter H, Habrough and Hazelhead Bridge are a superb selection, with C15874, of 150133, on a Cleethorpes to Newark service, on the 30th May, 1991, showing that, sadly, the box had gone by then, along with the lovely crossing gates. I recall cycling over the LC in the early ‘90’s, and recall seeing two 153’s running over the crossing at speed - perhaps empty stock.

 

The black and white photo’s of Bulwell Common on the Great Central are all of interest, and in JVol4101, with an unidentified class C12, propelling the Annesly Dido, c1951, I have uncovered something of a mystery about the motor fitted brake third. In Hugh Longworth’s book: Brithish Railway’s Pre-Nationalisation Coaching Stock, Volume 1, GWR & LNER, on page 389, all the brake third, GCR diagrams are to be found. Only some of the clerestory diagram, 3A2, was later on motor fitted. No diagrams, with the low roof, 3A3, 3A4, are given as motor fitted. I’m left wondering if the 3A2 conversions had the clerestory roof altered to the low roof configuration. Surely that would not make sense and incur an extra cost. Perhaps the book is missing information. If so where can it be found? That photo’ has certainly unveiled a mystery.

 

With warmest regards,

 

 Rob.

[Tim Lewis]

10 hours ago, corneliuslundie said:

The one which really caught my eye was the shunting signal. Who is going to be the first to make a model? 

Tony Geary's already done it - see page 7 of his Basford North thread.

[keefer]

Love these b/w pics from just +/- Nationalisation.

We're all familar with so many images like that in books/on the web etc. but the fact that we know they were taken by 'someone just taking pictures' (i.e. Dave's Dad) for me, just makes them all the more remarkable at such a turbulent time in Britain's history.

The images are scratched and grainy but the fact they are a record of the 'everyday ordinary' from so long ago makes them all the more amazing.

Here's to folk like Dave and his parents recording the mundane eveyday scene - in the future it will be a goldmine! (maybe 🙂)

Edited December 29, 2022 by keefer

[DaveF]

10 hours ago, keefer said:

Love these b/w pics from just +/- Nationalisation.

We're all familar with so many images like that in books/on the web etc. but the fact that we know they were taken by 'someone just taking pictures' (i.e. Dave's Dad) for me, just makes them all the more remarkable at such a turbulent time in Britain's history.

The images are scratched and grainy but the fact they are a record of the 'everyday ordinary' from so long ago makes them all the more amazing.

Here's to folk like Dave and his parents recording the mundane eveyday scene - in the future it will be a goldmine! (maybe 🙂)

 

 

Many thanks keefer for the lovely comment.  I too like looking at photos of the post war period which were taken just as a hobby, both railway and non railway.  I remember Dad telling me how difficult it was to obtain film, often it was "war surplus" of poor quality and very grainy.

 

I've always been very sad that I only have the prints of Dad's photos to scan, quite a lot were either contact prints or a bit less than postcard size.  Sadly most of the negatives and larger prints were lost in a house move probably about 60 years ago.  Fortunately the surviving prints were in albums and most of them have notes on the back, along with several exercise books with more details.

 

Dad always believed in taking photos of anything that came along, not just express passenger trains and he also liked to photograph the mundane details when there were no trains about.  After they were married Mum nearly always went out with him, so he was under no pressure to rush home after taking a couple of photos.  As many of you know from her appearances on here Mum liked trains.  For example she can be seen in a brightly coloured dress by the line in the third of the Lincoln photos yesterday.   Most of you know that she was a mathematician and at one time a turbine designer, she was also a biologist so when Dad was taking photos she would often be looking at plants and animals.

 

David

[DaveF]

 

This morning's replacement batch were taken at the north end of the site of Beattock station and at a level crossing near Elvanfoot, whilst on the way to Scotland for a holiday in August 1973.

 

 

Beattock station 2 Class 50s possibly up Royal Scot Glasgow to Euston Aug 73 C1360  The remains of the Beattock branch can be seen curving off to the right.

 

 

Beattock station Class 37 down freight Aug 73 C1361

 

 

Beattock station Class 20 8095 banking the train in the previous photo. Aug 73 C1362

 

 

Elvanfoot south of 2 Cass 50s down ex pass Aug 73 C1364

 

 

Elvanfoot south of 2 Class 50s up ex pass Aug 73 C1366

 

 

David

[65179]

14 hours ago, Market65 said:

 

 

The black and white photo’s of Bulwell Common on the Great Central are all of interest, and in JVol4101, with an unidentified class C12, propelling the Annesly Dido, c1951, I have uncovered something of a mystery about the motor fitted brake third. In Hugh Longworth’s book: Brithish Railway’s Pre-Nationalisation Coaching Stock, Volume 1, GWR & LNER, on page 389, all the brake third, GCR diagrams are to be found. Only some of the clerestory diagram, 3A2, was later on motor fitted. No diagrams, with the low roof, 3A3, 3A4, are given as motor fitted. I’m left wondering if the 3A2 conversions had the clerestory roof altered to the low roof configuration. Surely that would not make sense and incur an extra cost. Perhaps the book is missing information. If so where can it be found? That photo’ has certainly unveiled a mystery.

 

With warmest regards,

 

 Rob.

 

Rob, 

 

Some of the full firsts with the low roof as you put it (sometimes referred to as 50' london suburbans) were converted for use in motor trains. I'm away from my references at the moment, but these included, and quite possibly consisted of only,  the conversion of full firsts into locker (luggage?) composites. For example here on an OA &GB train:

 

https://thetransportlibrary.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=67511

 

Some, but not all of the motor fitted clerestories certainly also lost their roofs.

 

Regards,

Simon

[DaveF]

A replacement set from Kilsby and Crick on the Northampton loop of the WCML for after lunch siesta time.  One from 1967, the rest 1979.

 

 

Kilsby and Crick Class 86 down milk and parcels March 67 J827

 

 

Kilsby and Crick 310068 Euston to Birmingham July 79 J6527

 

 

Kilsby and Crick Class 81 down light engine July 79  J6570 going away

 

 

Kilsby and Crick 25236 down coal July 79 J6571

 

 

Kilsby and Crick 310083 Birmingham to Euston July 79 J6572

 

 

David

[DaveF]

A mixed bag for teatime, with Switzerland metre gauge, France and Britain, 15" gauge and preserved railways all represented.

 

 

Blonay CEV BDeh2.4 72 5th Aug 78 J6247  Switzerland  Chemin de Fer electriques Veveysans metre gauge.

 

 

St Avold SNCF BB13074 pass Paris to Forbach Aug 67 J1003  France.  Taken while staying with friends who lived in St Avold.

 

 

Dungeness RHDR 10 Doctor Syn Dungeness to Hythe May 76  C2802

 

 

Near Oxenhope  RSH No 63 Keighley to Oxenhope Sept 69 C140

 

 

Mill Lane crossing 4079 Pendennis Castle climbing to Buckminster sidings March 74 C1499  On the ex British Steel line to Market Overton beyond the end of the High Dyke branch.

 

David

Edited December 30, 2022 by DaveF

[corneliuslundie]

I just love J1003. I have a feeling that that loco was probably fairly long in the tooth even in 1967. After all, that was 22 years after BB9004 had broken the speed record.

Jonathan

[Fat Controller]

12 minutes ago, corneliuslundie said:

I just love J1003. I have a feeling that that loco was probably fairly long in the tooth even in 1967. After all, that was 22 years after BB9004 had broken the speed record.

Jonathan

They were built from 1952 to 1961, so not that long in the tooth; the last examples lasted until 2000, with similar locos at CFL lasting 5 years more. Odd to see one on a long distance passenger service; they were allegedly not that comfortable at their 120/140 kph top speed. Eurotunnel had one for about a decade, supplying 1500V 'hotel power' during commissioning.

[Market65]

8 hours ago, 65179 said:

 

Rob, 

 

Some of the full firsts with the low roof as you put it (sometimes referred to as 50' london suburbans) were converted for use in motor trains. I'm away from my references at the moment, but these included, and quite possibly consisted of only,  the conversion of full firsts into locker (luggage?) composites. For example here on an OA &GB train:

 

https://thetransportlibrary.co.uk/index.php?route=product/product&product_id=67511

 

Some, but not all of the motor fitted clerestories certainly also lost their roofs.

 

Regards,

Simon

Good evening, Simon. Thank you for your reply and it’s fascinating that those conversations happened. There must have been an additional cost to remove the clerestory from the clerestory roofed brake thirds. 
 

Good evening, David. That’s a delightful set of photo’s of Beattock station and Elvanfoot. The last photo’ at Elvanfoot south, with two class 50s on an up express passenger train, in August, 1973, is just perfect. Just how I recall those trains before the completion of the electrification of the WCML to Glasgow on the 6th May, 1974. 
The replacement photo’s from Kilsby and Crick, on the Northampton loop of the WCML, are excellent, with the first one of a class 86, on a down service of milk and parcels, in March, 1967, showing a great view of both the train and the radio masts. 
The mixed bag of photo’s are a most excellent set and that last photo’ of Mill Lane crossing, with 4079, Pendennis Castle, climbing to Buckminster sidings, on the former British Steel line to Market Overton, beyond the end of the High Dyke branch, in March, 1974, has a tremendous display of smoke erupting high into the air from the chimney. Try reproducing that, properly, on a model. I have tried and failed!

 

With warmest regards,

 

 Rob.

[lmsforever]

I  like the photo of the class 310  they were a very comfortable , quiet, and reliable class of unit  used to ride them Leighton Buzzard to Brum an enjoyable experience not like the current units .

[33C]

18 minutes ago, lmsforever said:

I  like the photo of the class 310  they were a very comfortable , quiet, and reliable class of unit  used to ride them Leighton Buzzard to Brum an enjoyable experience not like the current units .

Very comfortable for the crew too and easy to fix!

[DaveF]

Back to the Southern for this morning's replacements.  Five photos taken at Portsmouth Harbour station over the years.

 

 

Portsmouth Harbour PS Sandown Ryde to Portsmouth, from a faded slide Aug 64 J156  HMS Dolphin, the submarine base is in the background.

 

 

Portsmouth Harbour Class 73 June 75 C2141

 

 

Portsmouth Harbour 4CIG 7369 Portsmouth to Waterloo June 75 C2164

 

 

Portsmouth Harbour 3H demu Portsmouth to Southampton June 75 C2165

 

 

Portsmouth Harbour jetty and station July 79 J6542

 

 

David

[DaveF]

A few photos along the Harwich branch in the 1970s, once again as replacements.

 

 

Wrabness Class 105 Harwich to Manningtree going away Feb 75 C1867

 

 

Wrabness Class 105 Harwich to Manningtree going away Feb 75 C1867

 

 

Parkeston Quay Class 105 Harwich to Manningtree going away Feb 77  C3198

 

 

Harwich Town Class 37 about to run round train from Liverpool St March 75 C1880

 

 

Harwich Class 31 and brake van Oct 75 C2480

 

 

David

[woodenhead]

27 minutes ago, DaveF said:

Harwich Town Class 37 about to run round train from Liverpool St March 75 C1880

 

David

To me this image sums up why the railways in the 1970s were so interesting - the general decay of a railway that hadn't quite escaped the steam era yet.

[Rugd1022]

On 30/12/2022 at 13:25, DaveF said:

A replacement set from Kilsby and Crick on the Northampton loop of the WCML for after lunch siesta time.  One from 1967, the rest 1979.

 

 

Kilsby and Crick Class 86 down milk and parcels March 67 J827

 

 

Kilsby and Crick 310068 Euston to Birmingham July 79 J6527

 

 

Kilsby and Crick Class 81 down light engine July 79  J6570 going away

 

 

Kilsby and Crick 25236 down coal July 79 J6571

 

 

Kilsby and Crick 310083 Birmingham to Euston July 79 J6572

 

 

David

 

 

If it's ok with you Dave I'd like to post the top photo on the Rugby & district facebook group, with full credit to you of course.

 

 

[Pannier Tank]

On 30/12/2022 at 13:25, DaveF said:

A replacement set from Kilsby and Crick on the Northampton loop of the WCML

 

I remember the AM10's being introduced on the WCML; thank you for sharing. The first AM10 I travelled on was 053 which was on a complementary  introductory run between Bletchley and Wolverton; happy days! 

[DaveF]

29 minutes ago, Rugd1022 said:

 

 

If it's ok with you Dave I'd like to post the top photo on the Rugby & district facebook group, with full credit to you of course.

 

 

 

 

That's fine.  It should be credited to "John Ford" as it is one of Dad's photos.  You add "Collection David Ford" if you wish.

 

David