KR Models - New Class 40 EOI

[Hilux5972]

[John M Upton]

Erm, why?

 

It will be interesting to see if people are still sensitive about the Great Train Robbery loco, I recall a previous attempt at producing it being canned after protests.

[John M Upton]

Might want to change the subject title by the way...

[Hilux5972]

4 minutes ago, John M Upton said:

Might want to change the subject title by the way...

Yeah just realised that lol. 

[Bucoops]

I've put my thoughts on choosing to do D236 on their facebook post.

[Hilux5972]

6 minutes ago, Bucoops said:

I've put my thoughts on choosing to do D236 on their facebook post.

But it’s ok for Bachmann to do a model of a locomotive involved in the Harrow disaster that actually killed people? It’s not like KR will be adding a pack of people in balaclavas and carrying coshes to add on to the footplate is it. And it’s D326 btw. 

Edited November 26, 2022 by Hilux5972

['CHARD]

The 'duel speakers' will be interesting.  

[John M Upton]

Which proves that even today after all these years, the GTR is still a sensitive subject for many.

 

I see the Facebook page and posts from KR Models have a dedicated band of KRModelsApologists who believe they can do no wrong!  Must have defected from the Hornby Forum I guess...

[woodenhead]

No, just no.

 

Accurascale or Bachmann, even Heljan but not KR Models.

[Bucoops]

3 minutes ago, Hilux5972 said:

But it’s ok for Bachmann to do a model of a locomotive involved in the Harrow disaster that actually killed people? It’s not like KR will be adding a pack of people in balaclavas and carrying coshes to add on to the footplate is it. And it’s D326 btw. 

 

Whoops yes, D326, apologies.

 

Windward Isles? I don't recall Bachmann making a big deal of it - limited edition, stating why it was chosen.

 

The two incidents are viewed differently anyway - Harrow and Wealdstone was an avoidable disaster, which led to safety changes. The "Great" train robbery led to glamourisation of criminality - Ronnie Biggs anyone? Very poor taste.

['CHARD]

12 minutes ago, woodenhead said:

No, just no.

 

Accurascale or Bachmann, even Heljan Joueff but not KR Models.

 

As the saying goes, 'there, I've fixed it for you.'

[Hilux5972]

16 minutes ago, Bucoops said:

 

Whoops yes, D326, apologies.

 

Windward Isles? I don't recall Bachmann making a big deal of it - limited edition, stating why it was chosen.

 

The two incidents are viewed differently anyway - Harrow and Wealdstone was an avoidable disaster, which led to safety changes. The "Great" train robbery led to glamourisation of criminality - Ronnie Biggs anyone? Very poor taste.

It’s not the locomotives fault though is it. And does no one remember the Luton Model clubs diorama recreation in 7mm? Theirs had figures, lights and sound and depicted the moment that the robbery actually took place. That’s worse than just a locomotive. https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/world-news/miniature-great-train-robbery-diorama-3400309

[Legend]

Surprising . While it’s hard not to be excited by a new model, I suspect many will lament the fact that KR are doing the model rather than Accurascale or An updated Bachmann one. The Fell didn’t do anything to enhance their reputation . Of all the locos to choose it seems they picked the wrong one , unless they picked D326 deliberately. Perhaps they think this will enhance sales! 

Edited November 26, 2022 by Legend

['CHARD]

3 minutes ago, Legend said:

Surprising . While it’s hard not to be excited by a new model, I suspect many will lament the fact that KR are doing the model rather than Accurascale or An updated Bachmann one. The Fell didn’t do anything to enhance their reputation . Of all the locos to choose it seems they picked the wrong one , unless they picked D326 deliberately. Perhaps they think this will enhance sales! 

 

You've seen the advert, right?  'The Great Train Robbery Class 40' in bold!

 

Tasteless.

[sjp23480]

The GTR is still a very sensitive subject for many railway and Post Office employees of a certain age.  Not least because of what happened to Jack Mills, the driver. 

 

The subsequent glamourising of Ronnie Biggs' life was nothing thing short of shameful.  Some people seem to love a rogue - even when they have been convicted and open celebrate their notoriety. 

 

Which it seems is something that KR and the Class 40 Preservation Society seem willing to exploit. Shame. 

 

Steve

 

[stovepipe]

Is this in association with the CFPS? The advert seems to indicate that, but the website makes no mention of it. They do seem to be making 40135 twice, all with duel speakers as mentioned above, and no they weren’t all built by EE. Great start KR! It’s not like any of these details matter for a crowd funded project, that you can buy a Bachmann version of right now,

 

My bargepole is to hand.

 

 

[Hilux5972]

6 minutes ago, stovepipe said:

Is this in association with the CFPS? The advert seems to indicate that, but the website makes no mention of it. They do seem to be making 40135 twice, all with duel speakers as mentioned above, and no they weren’t all built by EE. Great start KR! It’s not like any of these details matter for a crowd funded project, that you can buy a Bachmann version of right now,

 

My bargepole is to hand.

 

 

Who said it’s a crowdfunded project?

[Bucoops]

37 minutes ago, Hilux5972 said:

It’s not the locomotives fault though is it. And does no one remember the Luton Model clubs diorama recreation in 7mm? Theirs had figures, lights and sound and depicted the moment that the robbery actually took place. That’s worse than just a locomotive. https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/world-news/miniature-great-train-robbery-diorama-3400309

 

I'm not criticising the locomotive, I'm criticising KR Models.

 

I wasn't aware of that diorama no. That does seem to be in poor taste as well :(

[stovepipe]

Who says it’s not? Previously you had to pay in part before the model was produced, I assume this is the case here too. 

[AY Mod]

37 minutes ago, Hilux5972 said:

That’s worse

 

I daresay you didn't see the exhibit and its context raising money for a railwayman's charity.

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-beds-bucks-herts-26970204

[AY Mod]

3 minutes ago, Bucoops said:

That does seem to be in poor taste as well :(

 

I can assure it wasn't; it was very well executed and framed.

[Bucoops]

3 minutes ago, AY Mod said:

 

I can assure it wasn't; it was very well executed and framed.

 

That's good to hear :)

[Ian J.]

The GTR seems to me to be one of those events that, for the model railway industry at least, it's safest simply to avoid. IMO, an event for commemorating the railway workers injured, and nothing else.

 

As for this Class 40 announcement, does EOI not mean Expressions Of Interest? If so, then it will be interesting to see how many are willing to trust KR at the moment. I don't, but I want to.

[John M Upton]

The nearest a RTR manufacturer got to actually producing a GTR Class 40 was Lima who did 40126 in BR Blue which nobody noticed.

[Fair Oak Junction]

I think part of the problem is the fact they are specifically advertising it as "The Great Train Robbery Class 40". Had they just done the loco with that number and not drawn attention to the event it most likely wouldn't be eliciting quite the same response. It feels incredibly crass to be specifically using an awful event like that to sell a model train.

Edited November 26, 2022 by Obsidian Quarry