KR Models - New Class 40 EOI

[adb968008]

for me this was a bit of a comedy moment today hearing about this class 40.

I just hope its not modelled with both discs and split head codes at one and central headcodes at the other.

 

40’s need a lot of research, there was a lot of variances.

 

I asked about 40044, and scottish headcode versions and was met with a blank stare. The response was the only 40’s planned are the ones listed. They also mentioned large logo blue.

 

I wish them well with this, 40’s have big potential, and someone offering variances across the fleet will do well, especially if it offers more than Bachmanns class 40. I’m not sure that an average class 40 tooling, offering other numbers without specifics, would be that attractive.

 

They did indicate they will be making a contribution to the cfps.
 

 

Edited November 26, 2022 by adb968008

[andyman7]

I wonder if a more apt comparison might be Titanic? An event that resulted in horrific loss of life and for which there were many missed opportunities to have mitigated either the disaster or the effects is nowadays the theme for endless commerce. Even the Harland & Wolff shipyard site near Belfast is marketed with a Titanic theme (this was a shipyard that built hundreds of successful vessels, commemorated for its most disastrous production). 

If you want to build a model of the Olympic or even the ill-fated Britannic, you're on your own but if you want Titanic, please form an orderly queue for whatever scale or type of model you might want.

[adb968008]

1 minute ago, andyman7 said:

I wonder if a more apt comparison might be Titanic? An event that resulted in horrific loss of life and for which there were many missed opportunities to have mitigated either the disaster or the effects is nowadays the theme for endless commerce. Even the Harland & Wolff shipyard site near Belfast is marketed with a Titanic theme (this was a shipyard that built hundreds of successful vessels, commemorated for its most disastrous production). 

If you want to build a model of the Olympic or even the ill-fated Britannic, you're on your own but if you want Titanic, please form an orderly queue for whatever scale or type of model you might want.

Thats funny you should say that, as thats exactly what they said on the stand.

I replied yes but that sank too.

 

Not sure it went down well.

[stovepipe]

I don't think it is a great comparison to be honest. The Titanic disaster has a 50 year headstart on the Great Train Robbery, and it was only since the mid-1990s, as the last survivors passed away, that the rampant commercialisation has taken off and the associated developments have materialised in Belfast. I guess the same point will come in the GTR story, but perhaps we all not there yet?

 

Hypothetical question - Would it be ok for a manufacturer to produce the locos from the Quintinshill rail disaster, and market it as such?

 

 

 

 

[Bon Accord]

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Edited November 26, 2022 by Bon Accord

[Gilbert]

1 minute ago, Bon Accord said:

 

Your sanctimonious post does not alter the fact that there were no fatalities during or after.

Can we get back to toy trains please...

[Bon Accord]

2 minutes ago, Gilbert said:

Can we get back to toy trains please...

 

That notion seemingly went adrift as far back as post number 2 of this thread.

[Gilbert]

2 minutes ago, Bon Accord said:

 

That notion seemingly went adrift as far back as post number 2 of this thread.

Sorry I even thought it....

[GWR-fan]

With the class 40 being "flogged to death" by other manufacturers,  one wonders why KR made a business decision to offer a locomotive that breaks the mould of their motto.  Could the notoriety or the "interest" in specificially D326 have been the overriding incentive,  if so,   then that decision is in poor taste?   Given the relatively poor record of late are there enough customers out there willing to pay upfront.

 

KR has enough projects on the books now to be able to dispense with the pay now philosophy and stand on its own feet.   Maybe then attention to detail will be a priority.

[Markwj]

I did speak with both accurascale and KR models at Warley, accurascale said this new announcement does not affect their plans going forward a very diplomatic response. They are either not doing a 40 or are doing a 40 and don’t care if KR are. KR models basically said that the Bachmann model is inaccurate and they have already scanned the prototype. I don’t have enough confidence to preorder without seeing it further down the development path.

[TomScrut]

3 hours ago, andyman7 said:

I wonder if a more apt comparison might be Titanic?

 

In my opinion this is more about events that had deliberate human input than accidents. To take it one step further, the actual motive of that input also factors IMO.

 

So in my eyes, a model of a ship that sank by accident (regardless of any ignorant wrongdoing of the people running it that might have happened), and a plane that shot down dozens of enemies in a war (given these were people doing their job in a conflict nothing to do with their moral standing) are not comparable to marketing a locomotive made famous by an event where some thieves deliberately stopped a train, assaulted the crew of the train and stole a LOT of money.

[TomScrut]

2 hours ago, GWR-fan said:

With the class 40 being "flogged to death" by other manufacturers

 

Other than Bachmann, who are you on about?

 

2 hours ago, GWR-fan said:

KR has enough projects on the books now to be able to dispense with the pay now philosophy and stand on its own feet.   Maybe then attention to detail will be a priority.

 

I aren't sure how you know that

[zoomer1979]

11 hours ago, stovepipe said:

So, as the CFPS link has been confirmed, why are they doing it? Is there any element of fund raising for the society? Or do the members just want specific preservation era models to buy for themselves? As usual with KR Models there are more questions than answers, and the whole announcement seems rushed, with marketing copy not even properly proof read.

You just have to look at their instructions to realise how well they proof read things.

Neil.

 

[PjKing1]

7 hours ago, toby_tl10 said:

To suggest Accurascale is intimidated by KR is an... let's say "interesting" idea. AS is at least 2 tiers above. If someone else has a 40 in the pipeline, my guess is Bachmann, who upgraded their 20, 37 and 47. Plus, an EOI isn't really "in the pipeline", is it?

Who said Accurascale was intimidated??  I’m guessing they knew someone else was planning on doing a 40 so respectfully let them get on with it, whilst they carry on with their 37’s and 50 etc

[woodenhead]

5 hours ago, adb968008 said:

40’s need a lot of research, there was a lot of variances.

 

I asked about 40044, and scottish headcode versions and was met with a blank stare. The response was the only 40’s planned are the ones listed. They also mentioned large logo blue.

 

So their first stab at a mainline diesel numbering 200 examples, 3 livery styles, a variety of nose end styles plus preservation era variations and they simply name the three CFPS locos + D326 as being the lot.

 

Bachmann already do the main nose end representations  and have gone through the livery variations on each.  If Accurascale was to do the 40 you can expect Haymarket nose end and oddities such as 40044 & 40058 plus a plethora of livery variations - green, green SYE, green FYE, blue with headcodes, blue with dominoes.  I would imagine they'd do the preservation liveries(subject to approval) and ideally 40106 in a tatty weathered condition as well as after it got a repaint.  And we mustn't forget departmental numbering for the Crewe remodelling.  And no-one would have any qualms pre-ordering them and wondering what they might receive.

 

But KR Models propose to do just the four locos

[GWR-fan]

2 hours ago, TomScrut said:

 

Other than Bachmann, who are you on about?

 

 

I aren't sure how you know that

 

If I am not mistaken,  Lima,  Hornby and Jouef have done the class 40.

 

As regards "crowd funding",  how many projects does a manufacturer need to do with other peoples' money before said manufacturer takes onboard a little risk with his own capital investment?

[97406]

I would love a 40 done to modern standards. The Bachmann model is a good basis for detailing, but it rides a little too high on its bogies, it’s missing some chassis details, has 7mm bogie details, and most importantly the windscreens are slightly out. Whilst it most certainly looks like a 40 and the main dimensions are correct, I then look at the Accurascale and new Bachmann 37s and would give my eye teeth for a new 40. 

 

I have no experience of KR models, and I am assuming the planned 40 is in 4mm because it doesn’t say on the blurb! Edit: Looks like a tension lock coupling on the bufferbeam from the CAD image.

 

I think they should graciously withdraw the GTR loco proposal, given people’s reactions and concentrate on future ranges including the ‘odd balls’ like the flush end on the aforementioned 40044 and the Scottish centre headcode rebuilds.  I see they’re based in Canada, so perhaps the management didn’t realise the strength of feelings about it here.

Edited November 27, 2022 by 97406

[Hilux5972]

3 hours ago, GWR-fan said:

 

 

As regards "crowd funding",  how many projects does a manufacturer need to do with other peoples' money before said manufacturer takes onboard a little risk with his own capital investment?

No one has said this model is crowdfunded. 

 

14 minutes ago, 97406 said:

 

I think they should graciously withdraw the GTR loco proposal, given people’s reactions

What you mean the reaction from those at the CFPS that have said they are fine with the loco being produced? No they shouldn’t withdraw it. It’s just a model locomotive. Yes I agree that perhaps it is a little crass to specifically say it is The Great Train Robbery locomotive, but it is just a model locomotive. 

[97406]

7 minutes ago, Hilux5972 said:

 

What you mean the reaction from those at the CFPS that have said they are fine with the loco being produced? No they shouldn’t withdraw it. It’s just a model locomotive. Yes I agree that perhaps it is a little crass to specifically say it is The Great Train Robbery locomotive, but it is just a model locomotive. 

It won’t stop me from buying models from the range if they’re up to scratch, though they’ll likely get renumbered and possibly resprayed into examples from the early 80s if they only do the examples in the blurb. 

[97406]

10 hours ago, griffgriff said:

I feel I should apologise for having a model of 47 299

I attempted to model that one using a Vitrains example. It didn’t go well. I managed to warp the bodyshell letting the paint dry by a heater, which I’ve used many times before. It seems the quality of plastic is similar to the steel that they used to use for Alfa Romeo cars. 

[adb968008]

9 hours ago, scumcat said:

I agree with you, but why did you feel the need to drag Hornby into this?

Hornby still make a 40, and might even still be a viable competitor to KRs 40… we have to wait and see.

 

 

[adb968008]

All this reaction to the Great Train Robbery class 40, yet no one has yet mentioned, that in Batch one that Lima produced way back in 1991 was the exact same models listed by KR models… 40106, D335, 40145 and 40126… plus D200/40122.

There was no fuss at all that I remembered, a few comments. 40126 wasnt even the most popular model and stuck on shelves I recall, possibly because consumers voted with their feet, but most likely as it was the big 4 (106/122/135/145) were most popular… renumbers of 40001 to 212 were common…. I suspect today that willbe Bachmanns forthcoming D213.

 

 

Edited November 27, 2022 by adb968008

[97406]

3 minutes ago, adb968008 said:

Hornby still make a 40, and might even still be a viable competitor to KRs 40… we have to wait and see.

 

 

 

You can splice Bachmann 37 cabs and use the Shawplan windscreens and backplates and get a very good result with the Hornby/Lima 40.

[Roy Langridge]

5 minutes ago, adb968008 said:

All this reaction to the Great Train Robbery class 40, yet no one has yet mentioned, that in Batch one that Lima produced way back in 1991 was the exact same models listed by KR models… 40106, D335, 40145 and 40126… plus D200/40122.

There was no fuss at all that I remembered, 40126 wasnt even the most popular model and stuck on shelves I recall.

 

 

Keep up at the back @adb968008😉, been mentioned several times. 
 

Roy

[adb968008]

3 hours ago, 97406 said:

 

I think they should graciously withdraw the GTR loco proposal, given people’s reactions and concentrate on future ranges including the ‘odd balls’ like the flush end on the aforementioned 40044 and the Scottish centre headcode rebuilds.  I see they’re based in Canada, so perhaps the management didn’t realise the strength of feelings about it here.

I dont think they care what rmweb thinks, they were quite proud of their selections of 40’s on the stand yesterday.

 

Personally I think the shock that hits them wont be reaction to D326.

Doing niche prototypes is one thing, but a doing a 40 will imo open a whole world of pain… even if its a good model…

 

40’s seem to bring out people emotions and reactions quite strongly… (they are a Northerners engine afterall).

 

imo it needs to be a great model, not a good one.. I will wait to see see what KR is capable of, with emphasis on wait.

Edited November 27, 2022 by adb968008