DapolDave Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Western front Western park flyover Western approaches Western Canada ;-) 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapolDave Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Hi Jerry, The nameplates, to stop people criticising the fitting in N gauge will be fitted I'm afraid. As for the time frame? Seriously I have no idea, I need to see how many workers return after CNY first. Cheers Dave 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 (edited) I've been taking a close look at the prototypes' nameplates, mainly so I can draw up fictitious ones (based on the list of the batch of 26 that never got to be used, and also from a list from my own imagination). It would seem that the numberplates were set in what's called Helvetica Heavy 85, while the nameplates were set in Helvetica Bold 75. That's the closest match I've been able to achieve. It isn't any other Grotesque typeface that I can source. I think I'll crank Photoshop into action this weekend. Western Excelsior, anyone? Western Endurance, Western Defiance, Western Revenge... you get the idea. RWJ I think Misha Black came up with the typeface used on the Western plates (I know for certain he designed the typeface used on the Warships, based on earlier GWR styles) - and David Birt's book 'The Class 52s - A Tribute To The Westerns' has some excellent drawings giving the dimesions of all the individual parts which the paltes were made from.... the numbers and letters are 5" high, and the length of each numberplate varies due to the spacing between the individual letters... it appears to have all been worked out very carefully to get each plate looking right with subtle gaps between each digit. Edited February 15, 2013 by Rugd1022 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted February 15, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 15, 2013 Just as a quick marker, this is Andy's Western part way through it's makeover. Mike. ps. Ignore the flaming brake rigging :blush: 6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the-gog Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Is it not rail alphabet? Its very similar and was used on other nameplates. HTH Jim Is it not rail alphabet? Its very similar and was used on other nameplates. HTH Jim No. Rail Alphabet wasn't seen in public until 1964. Margaret Calvert and Jock Kinnear probably only drew it in their studios the year before. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted February 15, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 15, 2013 it appears to have all been worked out very carefully to get each plate looking right with subtle gaps between each digit. As did Brian with the new Extreme Etchings plates. Mike. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rugd1022 Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 (edited) The plates would have been designed at some point during 1961... three different styles were physically tried out on D1000 in November '61, the first two being wooden mock ups ;-) Edited February 15, 2013 by Rugd1022 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
campaigner Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Adrian Knowles posting..... WESTERN PORN ALERT! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold queensquare Posted February 15, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 15, 2013 Hi Jerry, The nameplates, to stop people criticising the fitting in N gauge will be fitted I'm afraid. As for the time frame? Seriously I have no idea, I need to see how many workers return after CNY first. Cheers Dave Thanks Dave, hopefully they won't be difficult to remove. Jerry Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the-gog Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 (edited) I think Misha Black came up with the typeface used on the Western plates (I know for certain he designed the typeface used on the Warships, based on earlier GWR styles) - and David Birt's book 'The Class 52s - A Tribute To The Westerns' has some excellent drawings giving the dimesions of all the individual parts which the paltes were made from.... the numbers and letters are 5" high, and the length of each numberplate varies due to the spacing between the individual letters... it appears to have all been worked out very carefully to get each plate looking right with subtle gaps between each digit. Interesting. In which case he slavishly copied Helvetica. The dead giveaways are the digits 1, 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, and 9. They match Helvetica Heavy 85 *perfectly*. There isn't enough personality in 4, 8, and 0 to be able to tell. As far as the nameplates are concerned, again, it matches Helvetica, *except* that the 'Western' R is ever-so-slightly narrower than Helvetica's. It's terribly subtle, though. All other characters I've seen match nicely. The big difference is in the spacing, or kerning. It's nothing like Helvetica's metrics, even spaced out to 330% normal spacing. Then again, hand-spacing always tends to look better than computer-decided spacing. Edited February 15, 2013 by the-gog Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Fatadder Posted February 15, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 15, 2013 Mike Any chance of a photo of the bogie innards and the axel out of the bogie Getting very tempted to order one, and being able to get it rewheeled quickly would make it even more tempting Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pixie Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Thanks Dave, hopefully they won't be difficult to remove. Likewise or I'm going to be faced with a quartet of Venturers. Now there's a barber's shop act that never made it! Pix Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapolDave Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Anyone got their D1000 yet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted February 15, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 15, 2013 Anyone got their D1000 yet? No Dave, not even got the 'phone call (and if they're doing them in the order they were ordered mine should be in the first ten or so). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold gwrrob Posted February 15, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 15, 2013 Anyone got their D1000 yet? No but theres a few having withdrawal symptoms. Wouldn't it be nice if Simon K went on the Hornby BIL thread and asked the same question. 8 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Captain Kernow Posted February 15, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 15, 2013 Would you like me to collect yours when I pop down for mine ? And I thought I was the only one who indulged in 'proxy shopping'...! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DapolDave Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Likewise or I'm going to be faced with a quartet of Venturers. Now there's a barber's shop act that never made it! Pix I'm going to try to get them attached with only a minimum of glue in the central part of the number and nameplate if possible.Cheers Dave 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Endacott Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 Is it possible to use an adhesive which would allow the plates to be removed such as that which attaches CDs to magazine covers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Williams Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 I once read somewhere, possibly on RMWeb, of using just a small amount of varnish as an adhesive. Allows positioning and, if only a small amount used, would probably be fairly easy to remove. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
the-gog Posted February 15, 2013 Share Posted February 15, 2013 My preferred method is to use 3M double-sided sticky tape. It's not as strong an adhesive as the regular single-sided Sellotape, which makes it relatively easy to remove the plate, if need be. Plates I first stuck in some 4 years ago with this method still haven't fallen off. 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted February 15, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 15, 2013 Mike Any chance of a photo of the bogie innards and the axel out of the bogie Getting very tempted to order one, and being able to get it rewheeled quickly would make it even more tempting Rich. Every chance, when I can work out how to post multiple photo's and caption them individually! Leave it with me. Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Enterprisingwestern Posted February 16, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 16, 2013 Rich. Every chance, when I can work out how to post multiple photo's and caption them individually! Leave it with me. Mike. A blog on the conversion is (should be) here; http://www.rmweb.co.uk/community/index.php?/blog/1274/entry-11140-this-is-one-way-of-doing-it/ Mike. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Fatadder Posted February 16, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 16, 2013 Something odd going on, its coming up with a message saying "sorry you cant view this" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted February 16, 2013 Author Share Posted February 16, 2013 It should work now Rich, Mike hadn't clicked on publish - a very useful guide indeed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted February 16, 2013 RMweb Gold Share Posted February 16, 2013 My local emporium mole tells me that they hope to have the blue ones by the end of next week - does that fit Dave? If by any chance with us by/on Thursday we have an Abbotswood running day and off to Howes this morning to order a sound chip.... Yee haa! Phil Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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