A Nod To Brent - a friendly thread, filled with frivolity, cream teas and pasties. Longing for the happy days in the South Hams 1947.

[LNER4479]

Greetings to all in Glorious Devon, where the sun always shines (even at night time).

 

With the blessing of the genial host of this thread, I am posting a series of pictures which may be of interest. As one or two may be aware, with the assistance of the good Mr (Tony) Wright, I am undertaking the not inconsiderable task of finding new homes for the sizeable collection of my Dad's modelling friend, Peter Lawson. It's largely a LMS / GWR collection, with a bit of ex-GCR LNER thrown in (all in the BR era). Much of it is kit built.

 

Tony and I can deal with the ex-LMS and LNER stuff; however, we're beyond the limit of our competence when it comes to the former GWR stock(!) Accordingly, I'm posting the following here, in the hope that you knowledgeable types can identify the vehicles concerned and (possibly) the origin of the models, ie which kit they might have been built from. They're all for sale, at the best reasonable price, with the usual 10% to CRUK. They will have been built at some point over the previous 40 years, so some may be quite old by now. But I have no information on that aspect.

 

If nothing else, I hope they are of interest as models in their own right.

 

A Corridor third. Sides look fairly crude (thick window bars). BSL? It may have Comet bogies. As with all Peter's coaches, it's fitted with homemade hook and bar couplings, designed to run as part of a rake.

 

A brake third. Looks to be similar origin.

 

No idea(!), other than to say it appears to be a corridor third of an older style. Are those what you folks call 'American' bogies?

 

Nice. Another corridor third? Love those curved door handles!

 

Brake third. Is this one of those long 'dreadnought' coaches?

 

Another brake third.

 

 

AND another(!)

 

A composite. Looks to be the same style as 4556 above.

 

A brake composite, no doubt handy as a through coach?

 

A more modern style Composite. Collett?

 

Ditto?

 

Some more to follow.

Edited March 8 by LNER4479

[LNER4479]

Some other GWR passenger vehicles from the Peter Lawson collection

 

I've come across three trailers. The other two are RTR, but this one appears to be kit built. Rather nice (to my untrained eyes)

 

And now some Siphons. Starting with a 'J' (even I can read!)

 

Siphon G. Is there an RTR equivalent of this?

 

Another G

 

And ANOTHER G - but different style of panelling?(!)

 

As I say, all are for sale, looking for good homes. There's one or two other items of NPCCS, if they would be of interest. Please PM me or Tony if interested. And do feel free to pass on details elsewhere. As you'll already be aware, there's various kit built locos (all in BR condition). Tony has done a sterling job in selling most of the first batch I gave him, but I've just picked up some more(!), so stand by for further details on Tony's thread in due course. Anyone planning a visit to the York show, there should be some on Tony's stand there (I'm also at the show, with Grantham)

 

Thanks for your forbearance.

 

Graham

Edited March 8 by LNER4479

[County of Yorkshire]

52 minutes ago, LNER4479 said:

Greetings to all in Glorious Devon, where the sun always shines (even at night time).

 

With the blessing of the genial host of this thread, I am posting a series of pictures which may be of interest. As one or two may be aware, with the assistance of the good Mr (Tony) Wright, I am undertaking the not inconsiderable task of finding new homes for the sizeable collection of my Dad's modelling friend, Peter Lawson. It's largely a LMS / GWR collection, with a bit of ex-GCR LNER thrown in (all in the BR era). Much of it is kit built.

 

Tony and I can deal with the ex-LMS and LNER stuff; however, we're beyond the limit of our competence when it comes to the former GWR stock(!) Accordingly, I'm posting the following here, in the hope that you knowledgeable types can identify the vehicles concerned and (possibly) the origin of the models, ie which kit they might have been built from. They're all for sale, at the best reasonable price, with the usual 10% to CRUK. They will have been built at some point over the previous 40 years, so some may be quite old by now. But I have no information on that aspect.

 

If nothing else, I hope they are of interest as models in their own right.

 

A Corridor third. Sides look fairly crude (thick window bars). BSL? It may have Comet bogies. As with all Peter's coaches, it's fitted with homemade hook and bar couplings, designed to run as part of a rake.

 

A brake third. Looks to be similar origin.

 

No idea(!), other than to say it appears to be a corridor third of an older style. Are those what you folks call 'American' bogies?

 

Nice. Another corridor third? Love those curved door handles!

 

Brake third. Is this one of those long 'dreadnought' coaches?

 

Another brake third.

 

 

AND another(!)

 

A composite. Looks to be the same style as 4556 above.

 

A brake composite, no doubt handy as a through coach?

 

A more modern style Composite. Collett?

 

Ditto?

 

Some more to follow.

Nice coaches! From top to bottom I think what you’ve got there is:

 

- Collett C77 corridor third 

- Collett D127 brake third 

- Churchward (toplight) C30 corridor third 

- Collett C54 corridor third 

- Collett D84 brake third 

- Collett D94 brake third

- Collett D95 brake third 

- Collett E127 corridor composite

- Collett E128 brake composite 

- Collett E162 corridor composite 

- Hawksworth E165 corridor composite 

 

Suspect most will be either BSL or Comet metal kits. The toplight may well be a Slaters plastic kit. 
 

Cheers

 

CoY 

[Coach bogie]

For me they are all BSL apart from the toplight. The C54 corridor third, D84 brake third, D94 brake third and D95 brake third are the older wooden roof BSL. You can just see the join on the bow ends. Other BSL features being the turned round shank buffers. I am not sure of the toplight as it does not have a slaters roof. From the age of the other coaches I would suggest pre Slaters. The ends are different to my Mallards (right hand bogie also mounted wrong way -footstep should be outwards). It could be a Trevor Charlton.

 

The Autocoach is a BSL in my opinion. I have several unbuilt in my spares box. Many appeared at shows for pennies when the Airfix came out.

 

The siphon J is either a Mallard or scratch conversion from a Lima.

 

Next two siphons are re bogied and much improved ex rtr Airfix/Mainline/Dapol/Hornby - yes they have been in production over 40 years - I am getting old.

 

The last re bogied and much improved ex rtr Lima

 

Mike Wiltshire

[St Enodoc]

8 hours ago, County of Yorkshire said:

Nice coaches! From top to bottom I think what you’ve got there is:

 

- Collett C77 corridor third 

- Collett D127 brake third 

- Churchward (toplight) C30 corridor third 

- Collett C54 corridor third 

- Collett D84 brake third 

- Collett D94 brake third

- Collett D95 brake third 

- Collett E127 corridor composite

- Collett E128 brake composite 

- Collett E162 corridor composite 

- Hawksworth E165 corridor composite 

 

Suspect most will be either BSL or Comet metal kits. The toplight may well be a Slaters plastic kit. 
 

Cheers

 

CoY 

 

6 hours ago, Coach bogie said:

For me they are all BSL apart from the toplight. The C54 corridor third, D84 brake third, D94 brake third and D95 brake third are the older wooden roof BSL. You can just see the join on the bow ends. Other BSL features being the turned round shank buffers. I am not sure of the toplight as it does not have a slaters roof. From the age of the other coaches I would suggest pre Slaters. The ends are different to my Mallards (right hand bogie also mounted wrong way -footstep should be outwards). It could be a Trevor Charlton.

 

The Autocoach is a BSL in my opinion. I have several unbuilt in my spares box. Many appeared at shows for pennies when the Airfix came out.

 

The siphon J is either a Mallard or scratch conversion from a Lima.

 

Next two siphons are re bogied and much improved ex rtr Airfix/Mainline/Dapol/Hornby - yes they have been in production over 40 years - I am getting old.

 

The last re bogied and much improved ex rtr Lima

 

Mike Wiltshire

Just two minor comments on the above.

 

The first coach, 1168, appears to be a C77 but carries an incorrect number. 1168 was a K34 full brake (converted from Toplight ambulance stock).

 

2436 is a C31 (57') rather than C30 (56').

[gwrrob]

I couldn't resist running them in a train with the also new Accurascale vans.

 

 

[gwrrob]

Talking of Rapido and a new video for the B Set has been posted.

 

 

[Sweet pea]

4 hours ago, gwrrob said:

I couldn't resist running them in a train with the also new Accurascale vans.

 

 

They all look great running together Robin.👍

[gwrrob]

With the access to the GWR wagons book via this threads @BenL I've only just noticed Rapido have attempted the marks on the body of 86140 😉

 

Photo courtesy of Kernow.

Edited March 10 by gwrrob
added detail.

[Harlequin]

22 hours ago, gwrrob said:

Talking of Rapido and a new video for the B Set has been posted.

 

 

 

I nearly jumped out of my seat! At 2:35 the narrator uses the word "Embiggened"!

 

Is that a sly nod to The Simpsons or was it used seriously? 🤣

 

Edited March 10 by Harlequin

[Skinnylinny]

What's wrong with "embiggened"? It's a perfectly cromulent word!

[Pete Haitch]

Perhaps we should refer to the Rapido B set coaches as incromulent!

[Sweet pea]

Three GWR Vans which have arrived over the last couple of days.

Mink Vans V14 and V16. Banana Van Y4.

All beautifully modelled thanks to Rapido.😊

[Captain Kernow]

4 hours ago, Skinnylinny said:

What's wrong with "embiggened"?

It's a perfectly horrible word.

 

Edited March 10 by Captain Kernow

[Captain Kernow]

3 hours ago, Pete Haitch said:

Perhaps we should refer to the Rapido B set coaches as incromulent!

Maybe, but for now, the more accurate description may be 'not yet available '.

[gwrrob]

Talking of the B set and Rapido have shewn a render of the interior including a framed image of St Michael's Mount. Delightful.

 

[Neal Ball]

1 hour ago, gwrrob said:

Talking of the B set and Rapido have shewn a render of the interior including a framed image of St Michael's Mount. Delightful.

 

 

I also like the idea that a window can simply be popped out and a half open droplight added in its place. Amazing.

[Mikkel]

But try as they might, they can't fit us in there. So the next logical step is VR goggles.

 

(only half kidding)

 

 

[Andy Keane]

9 minutes ago, Mikkel said:

VR goggles

I have in fact got a CAD model of my Helston layout with all the buildings I have worked up placed on it. I have this on the VR system at work so I can walk around it, into and out of my buildings and peer down the platform, etc. It is decidedly eerie as the place turns out to be deserted! If I got some CAD loco models I could start to add trains and then with the help of a coach builder I could get into one! If we could get ModelU and Rapido, etc together at a suitable show with the right kit I suspect people would find it rather fun - after all its what kitchen showrooms do all the time nowadays.

Andy

[RapidoCorbs]

On 10/03/2024 at 10:12, gwrrob said:

With the access to the GWR wagons book via this threads @BenL I've only just noticed Rapido have attempted the marks on the body of 86140 😉

 

Photo courtesy of Kernow.

 

What are your thoughts on this effect? From what we could find, the post-42 livery on these opens was very hard to come by and the photo of 86140 showed it was never immaculate in this guise, so we wanted to give some hint as to re-used planks.

 

 

On 10/03/2024 at 10:32, Harlequin said:

 

I nearly jumped out of my seat! At 2:35 the narrator uses the word "Embiggened"!

 

Is that a sly nod to The Simpsons or was it used seriously? 🤣

 

 

Yes.

[Captain Kernow]

3 hours ago, gwrrob said:

Talking of the B set and Rapido have shewn a render of the interior including a framed image of St Michael's Mount. Delightful.

 

Sorry, Robin, I consider this to be on a par with the totally unnecessary interior detail on the Toad.

 

No one is going to see it, except Superman, with his X-ray vision...

[Pete Haitch]

40 minutes ago, Andy Keane said:

I have in fact got a CAD model of my Helston layout with all the buildings I have worked up placed on it. I have this on the VR system at work so I can walk around it, into and out of my buildings and peer down the platform, etc. It is decidedly eerie as the place turns out to be deserted! If I got some CAD loco models I could start to add trains and then with the help of a coach builder I could get into one! If we could get ModelU and Rapido, etc together at a suitable show with the right kit I suspect people would find it rather fun - after all its what kitchen showrooms do all the time nowadays.

Andy

 

It will make exhibiting Helston rather easier if all you have to do is turn up with a laptop and a few VR headsets. Could lead to an interesting conversation with the exhibition manager though.

[gwrrob]

I disagree Tim, it’s pushing the boundaries of what’s possible in 4mm. If I remember correctly our mutual friend @2ManySpams added this kind of thing to the interiors of coaches for Treneglos.

[57xx]

16 minutes ago, Captain Kernow said:

Sorry, Robin, I consider this to be on a par with the totally unnecessary interior detail on the Toad.

 

No one is going to see it, except Superman, with his X-ray vision...

 

"but it only cost 2p to add, so why not"

 

I'd rather time (and the 2p) was spent on getting external items we can see correct. (quietly hoping that has been done but haven't seen any evidence of it yet)

[BenL]

24 minutes ago, RapidoCorbs said:

 

What are your thoughts on this effect? From what we could find, the post-42 livery on these opens was very hard to come by and the photo of 86140 showed it was never immaculate in this guise, so we wanted to give some hint as to re-used planks.

 

 

 

Yes.

Really happy with it personally. From the prototype pic you can see that the wagon has only been patch painted - the old 16inch ‘G’ and ‘W’ have been painted over and a patch painted for the post-42 lettering to go on. The rest is the old, slightly peeling/distressed paint, which I aim to add with some strategic dry brushing. The marks already provided on the model will really add to the overall effect as far as I’m concerned and I’m glad they were provided. 
 

I have also been very impressed by the brake gear undergubbins on these models, a really exceptional rendition of the DCIII brake arrangement as far as I’m concerned.