Dave F's photos - ongoing - more added each day

[Market65]

Hi, Dave. Excellent photos from Harrogate. In J276, the class 108 is one of the LMR power twins. I feel a little mystified what it doing on that service. I wonder if it worked into Leeds from Manchester and was then requisitioned on the NER service?

 

With warmest regards,

 

Rob.

[DaveF]

Excellent as ever Dave, always appreciate the Harrogate shots. Pity the narrow gauge gas works line was gone when you lived here, i bet youd have got some great shots round Bilton junction and the sidings.

Keep them coming

James

 

 

When I lived there I didn't even know there had been the narrow gauge gas works line.  It was a long time after I moved away that I learnt about it - so I never even went to see where it used to be.

 

David

[brushman47544]

J467 - is interesting in that I didn't realize some Newcastle - Liverpool services operated via Harrogate (and presumably a reversal in Leeds) instead of via York.

[DaveF]

J467 - is interesting in that I didn't realize some Newcastle - Liverpool services operated via Harrogate (and presumably a reversal in Leeds) instead of via York.

 

 

Quite a lot were routed via Harrogate until BR closed the Ripon line, then  they all had to go through York.  I think that before the Wetherby line was closed they went that way south of Harrogate, which avoided a reversal in Leeds.

 

As you say though, at the time of the photos they did reverse in Leeds.

 

David

[DaveF]

Today we have a Southern Miscellany.   

 

There would have been taken on days out when I lived in Essex and had braved the Dartford Tunnel - in those days there wasn't a bridge so it was the tunnel both ways, often with long queues.

 

Once again some of the slides were not in the best of condition.  I wish now I'd known just how quickly slides can deteriorate many years earlier when I had to store them in a flat where all the windows faced south or west.

 

 

Headcorn 4CEP 7179 down 19th May 76 C2791

 

 

Dunton Green Class 201 1006 Hastings to Charing Cross Nov 78 C4208

 

 

Rochester distant view of train on Strood to Maidstone line Dec 78 C4223

 

 

Stonestreet Green Class 423 7888 July 79 C4607

 

 

Shoreham Kent Class 33 down freight Nov 79 C4867

 

 

David

[Market65]

Hi, Dave. A great set of Southern photos today. In C4208, there is a Autumnal mist to add to the atmosphere, as 1006 runs through the countryside at Dunton Green.

 

With warmest regards,

 

Rob.

[lmsforever]

Unusual traffic in the last picture don't think I have seen that before ,any idea were it had come from and were where the tractors from imported or built in the UK ?  Our friends across the pond would call that TOFC  tractors on flat car more pics please.

[Fat Controller]

Unusual traffic in the last picture don't think I have seen that before ,any idea were it had come from and were where the tractors from imported or built in the UK ?  Our friends across the pond would call that TOFC  tractors on flat car more pics please.

Probably for export via Sheerness or Dover; there were flows from various places to these with tractors at different times. The tractors are Fords, I think, in which case they would have come from the Fordson plant at Brentwood. Other flows have come from International Harvester at Doncaster. These vehicles were often conveyed on SAA 4-wheel steel carriers. There was an attempt to revive the traffic in the early days of the Channel Tunnel, using Comtic articulated well wagons- tractors are a bit bigger these days.

[RANGERS]

Probably for export via Sheerness or Dover; there were flows from various places to these with tractors at different times. The tractors are Fords, I think, in which case they would have come from the Fordson plant at Brentwood. Other flows have come from International Harvester at Doncaster. These vehicles were often conveyed on SAA 4-wheel steel carriers. There was an attempt to revive the traffic in the early days of the Channel Tunnel, using Comtic articulated well wagons- tractors are a bit bigger these days.

 

 

Hard to say what type the tractors are but could be Fords or possibly Leylands which were shipped by road and rail from Bathgate for export via Southampton, Sheerness and Dover.

[Phil Bullock]

Probably for export via Sheerness or Dover; there were flows from various places to these with tractors at different times. The tractors are Fords, I think, in which case they would have come from the Fordson plant at Brentwood. Other flows have come from International Harvester at Doncaster. These vehicles were often conveyed on SAA 4-wheel steel carriers. There was an attempt to revive the traffic in the early days of the Channel Tunnel, using Comtic articulated well wagons- tractors are a bit bigger these days.

 

Tractors on Carflats .....another marketing opportunity for Oxford Models?

 

Phil

[mullie]

Hard to say what type the tractors are but could be Fords or possibly Leylands which were shipped by road and rail from Bathgate for export via Southampton, Sheerness and Dover.

 

The bonnet area looks more of a Leyland shape to me though I could be wrong and often am!

[jwealleans]

I'd go for Leyland.  We have a Ford from that era - cab roof is blue, wheels are off-white and the blue is darker than that in the photo.

[The Lurker]

Great pictures of the Southern, some of the places I know quite well. In fact I drive down the road where you took the Shoreham picture every week, taking my younger son to swimming lessons.

 

You mention braving the Dartford tunnel. Looking at the dates, it was still a single bore tunnel. The queues seem to have remained despite the increases in capacity over the years!

[DaveF]

Photos from visits to the Settle and Carlisle for today.

 

The ones at Dent were taken in the days when Dad and I often got invited into the signalbox for a cup of tea.

 

 

Dent LMS 8f 48641 with snowplough up goods May 66 J523

 

 

Dent BR 9F down goods May 66 J531

 

 

Dandry Mire Class 25 down goods Aug 73 C1378

 

 

Aisgill LMS Class 5 4-6-0 44912 up goods July 66 J541

 

 

 

Kirkby Stephen 156486 on right Leeds to Carlisle, on left 156487 Carlisle to Leeds 22nd Feb 93 C18300

 

 

David

[Market65]

Hi, Dave. A truly exceptional set of photos of the Settle and Carlisle line today. All of the BR steam era views are classics, nostalgic and full of detail for weathering models. The 9F in J531 is a good example, and a classic shot of a steam hauled freight train.

In the last photo, in the left background, there would appear to be a class 4MT BR tank engine on a train of Mk1's. I wonder which special service that had formed?

 

With warmest regards,

 

Rob.

[DaveF]

Hi, Dave. A truly exceptional set of photos of the Settle and Carlisle line today. All of the BR steam era views are classics, nostalgic and full of detail for weathering models. The 9F in J531 is a good example, and a classic shot of a steam hauled freight train.

In the last photo, in the left background, there would appear to be a class 4MT BR tank engine on a train of Mk1's. I wonder which special service that had formed?

 

With warmest regards,

 

Rob.

 

 

I should have mentioned that.

 

There was a week of crew training with trains running from Carlisle to Kirkby Stephen and back several times a day, open to the public by simply turning up and buying a ticket at Carlisle booking office.

 

On the journey back to Carlisle that day a number of local peole chose to wait for the steam service rather than use the 156 in the photo.

 

David

Edited October 13, 2016 by DaveF

[edward66]

On J541 any idea what the curious pipe around the Black 5's smokebox is?

[LMS2968]

Steam lance. All Stanier locos (and many others) had a connection near the front of the smokebox on the fireman's side, to which a high pressure hose could be fitted to, for instance, clear the tubes of a loco standing alongside. As built, the piping was entirely within the smokebox with only the cock itself showing, but later replacement piping was often arranged externally, as here.

Edited October 14, 2016 by LMS2968

[Unicorn1]

Another great set of pics Dave.

The plate wagon in J541 should be in 'prototype for everything' corner - I now feel justified putting lead strips on my flat wagons for weight -  that look like this!

Les

[DaveF]

Hillmorton again today with some WCML electrics in the 1960s and 70s.

 

 

Hillmorton Class 85 E3059 11.25 Liverpool - Birmingham - Euston March 67_J0825

 

 

Hillmorton Class 86 09.25 Liverpool - Birmingham - Euston Sept 68 J1457

 

 

Hillmorton Class 86 Euston to North West June 75 J4353

 

 

Hillmorton Classes 86 and 82 Motorail Inverness to Kensington Olympia March 79 J6408

 

 

Hillmorton Class 86 Holyhead to Euston March 79 J6411

 

 

David

[eastwestdivide]

Nice mixture of 1st class coach types in J6411 - Mk2 aircon - Mk2 non-aircon - Mk3, with the obligatory Mk1 BG and catering.

[jonny777]

Two excellent sets of photos David, and they bring back a lot of memories.

 

J523 shows a yellow disc signal adjacent to the box. I have had their purpose explained to me a few times but being a bit slow I still can't understand where the advantage of one over a red ground disc is beneficial.

 

Is anyone able to use that one in the photo to point out their usefulness?

[Fat Controller]

Steam lance. All Stanier locos (and many others) had a connection near the front of the smokebox on the fireman's side, to which a high pressure hose could be fitted to, for instance, clear the tubes of a loco standing alongside. As built, the piping was entirely within the smokebox with only the cock itself showing, but later replacement piping was often arranged externally, as here.

Weren't the steam lances also used to clear snow and ice from pointwork?

[Fat Controller]

Another great set of pics Dave.

The plate wagon in J541 should be in 'prototype for everything' corner - I now feel justified putting lead strips on my flat wagons for weight -  that look like this!

Les

Someone has asked about steel slabs on here in the past; the ones in the photo weigh about 5 tons each, and are probably heading to Sheffield or Rotherham to be forged or re-rolled.

[keefer]

Two excellent sets of photos David, and they bring back a lot of memories.

 

J523 shows a yellow disc signal adjacent to the box. I have had their purpose explained to me a few times but being a bit slow I still can't understand where the advantage of one over a red ground disc is beneficial.

 

Is anyone able to use that one in the photo to point out their usefulness?

When a yellow disc is 'on' you can still go past it, only not on the route to which it applies. ie in the pic, a loco can still go past the disc into the sidings - to access the main line the disc would have to be 'off'.

If it was a red disc, you would have to stop at it until it was cleared, whatever route was set