scots region Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 Ahh, I did worry about this possibility. 3 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Hammond Posted July 29, 2023 Share Posted July 29, 2023 19 hours ago, AdamOrmorod said: Another one here a little disappointed about the lack of smoke deflectors on 2002, think I'll hold off in the hope there's a future release with them. I noticed 2002 has separately fitted nameplates while the other two do not, hopefully they all have them included in the detail bag. I'm very unhappy about this too. Especially as Hornby.have promised on numerous occasions that it would have. 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Als Yard Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 A bit late to complain about, I know, but was there really no way to represent the unique auto lubrication gear on 2007? While I can't find it, I have seen someone make a custom working one for a modified railroad p2 that was realistically durable enough for production. My guess is that it was considered, but scrapped due to tolerances not allowing for fine scale representation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scots region Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 22 hours ago, scots region said: Ahh, I did worry about this possibility. I apologise, I should've expanded on this, does the running plate look like its warped to you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
G-BOAF Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 36 minutes ago, scots region said: I apologise, I should've expanded on this, does the running plate look like its warped to you? Both sections look straight to me. Which bit are you concerned about? Note that the majority of the running plate above the wheels is metal, while the forward section is plastic. The join on the straight running plate versions looks a little disappointing to me in its finish 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Als Yard Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 35 minutes ago, scots region said: does the running plate look like its warped to you? On the right side of the cylinder it goes down a tiny bit before going upwards, might just be a error on the sample but we have to wait till we get the final product to judge. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamOrmorod Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 38 minutes ago, Als Yard said: A bit late to complain about, I know, but was there really no way to represent the unique auto lubrication gear on 2007? While I can't find it, I have seen someone make a custom working one for a modified railroad p2 that was realistically durable enough for production. My guess is that it was considered, but scrapped due to tolerances not allowing for fine scale representation. it just occurred to me that 2007 will presumably be fitted with a speedometer, which presumably will be driven from the rear coupled wheel also on that side. It looks like the crankpin has holes for it to attach to: . Maybe when the real loco is finished we'll get some limited edition undercoat grey version, perhaps with some of the detail differences attended to. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamOrmorod Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 8 minutes ago, G-BOAF said: Both sections look straight to me. Which bit are you concerned about? Note that the majority of the running plate above the wheels is metal, while the forward section is plastic. The join on the straight running plate versions looks a little disappointing to me in its finish There's actually a join on the railroad design clever versions, presumably at one stage they intended to use that tooling for the other locomotives. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Als Yard Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 6 minutes ago, AdamOrmorod said: Maybe when the real loco is finished we'll get some limited edition undercoat grey version, perhaps with some of the detail differences attended to. Knowing Hornby likes to do re-releases more often then other manufactures, I'm going to hold on to my money for now, and wait for what will inevitably be some special release for when 2007 completes construction. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomScrut Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 6 minutes ago, AdamOrmorod said: it just occurred to me that 2007 will presumably be fitted with a speedometer, which presumably will be driven from the rear coupled wheel also on that side. It looks like the crankpin has holes for it to attach to: . Maybe when the real loco is finished we'll get some limited edition undercoat grey version, perhaps with some of the detail differences attended to. 54 minutes ago, Als Yard said: A bit late to complain about, I know, but was there really no way to represent the unique auto lubrication gear on 2007? While I can't find it, I have seen someone make a custom working one for a modified railroad p2 that was realistically durable enough for production. My guess is that it was considered, but scrapped due to tolerances not allowing for fine scale representation. Interesting, as whilst the responses to my question regarding the accuracy of the 2007 model given it wasn't finished yet was replied to with "they have been working with the A1Trust so should be", these points along with a comment in the aforementioned review regarding there being differences makes me wonder whether Hornby are doing the right thing sending 2007 out now. That said, I won't be cancelling the pre order so they probably are. It will probably end up like the APT where they do another one in 2 years time that's improved! 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scots region Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 32 minutes ago, G-BOAF said: Both sections look straight to me. Which bit are you concerned about? Note that the majority of the running plate above the wheels is metal, while the forward section is plastic. The join on the straight running plate versions looks a little disappointing to me in its finish It did look like there was a bit of a ski-jump effect, the join though has much improved from the engineering samples to my eyes. Hopefully I'm overreacting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toby_tl10 Posted July 30, 2023 Share Posted July 30, 2023 It's certainly interesting (perhaps a tad bit funny too) to go back to page 7 and read the exchanges between Hilux5972 and myself. Hornby have always shown the artwork of 2002 without extra smoke deflectors. It's not like Hornby tried to deceive customers with the artwork. Yes, Hornby "promised" to add the smoke deflectors to the model, but not to the already announced variant apparently, as I figured out in Nov 2022. I don't think there is a need to be disappointed at all if you have managed your expectations correctly. And given Hornby have developed the variant with smoke deflectors as shown by the CAD images, there's a very high chance they're announcing it in the 2024 (or 2025) range. They promised it too, so it should be coming soon. That aside, my eyes are on 2003, which is looking pretty amazing. My plan is to renumber it to 60992 to create a what-if so that it fits into my era (BR steam). 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Hilux5972 Posted July 31, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 31, 2023 Doesn’t look warped to me. 4 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
scots region Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 1 hour ago, Hilux5972 said: Doesn’t look warped to me. maybe the angle of the cylinders threw me 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Johan DC Posted July 31, 2023 RMweb Premium Share Posted July 31, 2023 15 hours ago, Als Yard said: A bit late to complain about, I know, but was there really no way to represent the unique auto lubrication gear on 2007? While I can't find it, I have seen someone make a custom working one for a modified railroad p2 that was realistically durable enough for production. My guess is that it was considered, but scrapped due to tolerances not allowing for fine scale representation. Is it sure it will be installed? On the technical drawing halfway down https://www.a1steam.com/prince-of-wales/home where it shows what's original, altered, Tornado etc. there is no mention of it. I haven't read all the Mikado Meseengers I have to add. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AdamOrmorod Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 The cad image has cranks on the rear two coupled axles on the driver's side, the forward one presumably for this lubricator (or at least something) Am personally looking forward to 2005 😃 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary_lner Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 Hornby have just confirmed on Facebook that this version of 2002 will be in as built condition. And that the design does cater for the additional smoke deflectors for a future release. Looking back at the previous engine shed blogs the samples coming through was always of 2002 without the smoke deflectors. Must admit I thought it was 2007. But at least 2002 will be released with the smoke deflectors in the future. Regards Gary 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirwilliamfrs Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 I must have had sixth sense! I cancelled my order for 2002 about four months ago on grounds of cost, but wanted and expected it to have the second set of smoke deflectors if Hornby's confusing CAD releases were anything to go by. Am I missing something or was the 'as built' release made clear enough by Hornby? Relieved and can't wait for the (more expensive?) version with two sets of deflectors. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevor Hammond Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 I think that, when questioned on numerous occasions about the second set of smoke deflectors, , a certain person representing Hornby gave " a politician's answer " to be polite. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gary_lner Posted July 31, 2023 Share Posted July 31, 2023 46 minutes ago, sirwilliamfrs said: I must have had sixth sense! I cancelled my order for 2002 about four months ago on grounds of cost, but wanted and expected it to have the second set of smoke deflectors if Hornby's confusing CAD releases were anything to go by. Am I missing something or was the 'as built' release made clear enough by Hornby? Relieved and can't wait for the (more expensive?) version with two sets of deflectors. Looking back at my order for the P2 with hattons before they cancelled it back when was announced in 2021. It was listed as Earl Marischal" (original bodystyle). So I guess thats always been the plan for R3984. The engine shed blog showing the cad confused things slightly but it is what it is now. Some people will want both variations. Gary 1 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold palmsticks Posted July 31, 2023 RMweb Gold Share Posted July 31, 2023 Well now... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Black Hat Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 Pity that 2002 does not have smoke deflectors, otherwise the New North Eastern Railway Company would have added 60301 Duke of Cumberland to the engine pool. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sirwilliamfrs Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 Still no satisfactory conclusion to the ambiguity caused by Hornby. palmsticks posted this on 6th August 2022 on the forum topic "Hornby R3984 LNER P2 'Earl Marischal' - with or without smoke deflectors?" , from Hornby's Engine Shed blog:- https://uk.Hornby.com/products/lner-p2-class-2-8-2-2002-earl-marischal-era-3-r3984 However, in their engineshed blog and various other press releases, they have produced CAD artwork which shows the engine with the later smoke deflectors and have stated: "Another feature that has been asked about is the secondary smoke deflectors as fitted to 2002 ‘Earl Marischal’ and yes, these have been tooled and will be added to that model. While we do not have a physical sample of that with us in Margate at the moment, I thought I would treat you to a CAD shot." 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MillerG Posted August 1, 2023 Share Posted August 1, 2023 (edited) After reading the Engine Shed post above, I e-mailed Hornby customer service and received an ambiguous "We have included the smoke deflectors, and these will be used in future releases as the smoke deflectors were an addition to the locomotive during its working life." I asked for clarity (in a detailing pack etc.?) and then got "...the locomotive will have factory fitted smoke deflectors." and a picture of Earl Marischal in as-built condition. I have since cancelled my order and will await the later version to be released. Edited August 1, 2023 by MillerG Photo removed as copyright 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
benbrown Posted August 2, 2023 Share Posted August 2, 2023 (edited) Hi all just had a email from Hornby to update payment details as lord president has arrived at there warehouse for shipping Hour later same email for earl marischal Ben Edited August 2, 2023 by benbrown Extra info 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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