ThaneofFife Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Window frames mk3a.. what did i miss? that's just an example but take a read on the Oxford Rail thread for the Mk3s. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Reid Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Just spotted when this thread first started meaning the coaches will have taken roughly 5 years from announcement to delivery. Somebody please thump the record player with their elbow as they walk past. It appears to have stuck. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
westie7 Posted October 9, 2017 Share Posted October 9, 2017 Aha, im up to speed now Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Somebody please thump the record player with their elbow as they walk past. It appears to have stuck. Don't call us.......we'll call you. No problem Westie7....... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flood Posted October 10, 2017 Share Posted October 10, 2017 Don't call us.......we'll call you. No problem Westie7....... I've no problem calling/chatting with Bob at any time. I reckon he's forgotten more about coaches than I'll ever know. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
45125 Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 (edited) It's not an air con unit under that hatch it's a toilet water tank. Under the hatch is the evaporator unit for the air conditioning unit, the condenser unit is the one located underneath. Cleaned enough of the bloody things. Edited October 11, 2017 by 45125 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted October 11, 2017 Share Posted October 11, 2017 £63 pre-order price too. Needs to be absolutely flawless at that money.........no window frame debacle like we have with the new Mk3a coaches. Not at this level but I have more faith in Bachmann to deliver. Some painted samples at Warley would be great to see....... I haven't been following this thread too closely, so apologies if this has been covered already: does that price include a decoder? If so, it's not unreasonable, IMHO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted October 12, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 12, 2017 (edited) I haven't been following this thread too closely, so apologies if this has been covered already: does that price include a decoder? If so, it's not unreasonable, IMHO. Yes I think so. That's the box shifter price , I think the Bachmann price is £70 odd . The DBSO is only available DCC fitted , I think, but others are also available without the DCC gubbins and I think are priced around £45 at boxshifter. Edited October 12, 2017 by Legend Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted October 13, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 13, 2017 (edited) Do we know what the dbso will be like for those of us on DC ? Will it be just another dark carriage experience ? Edited October 13, 2017 by adb968008 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Legend Posted October 13, 2017 RMweb Premium Share Posted October 13, 2017 (edited) I'm sure I read somewhere, not sure where, but maybe related to Andy's visit to Bachmann Open day in July , that the lights will work on DC in the normal manner i.e. When there's power on the track. My issue is I use HF trackcleaners, that work well for me, so I'm not sure if I'll fry the chip and does that matter as I'm not operating it DCC anyway. I'd rather just have a basic carriage to be honest and it may be I keep an eye on eBay for folks selling their old DBSOs when the Bachmann one appears . Edited October 13, 2017 by Legend Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
royaloak Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 I'm sure I read somewhere, not sure where, but maybe related to Andy's visit to Bachmann Open day in July , that the lights will work on DC in the normal manner i.e. When there's power on the track. My issue is I use HF trackcleaners, that work well for me, so I'm not sure if I'll fry the chip and does that matter as I'm not operating it DCC anyway. I'd rather just have a basic carriage to be honest and it may be I keep an eye on eBay for folks selling their old DBSOs when the Bachmann one appears . I would assume (always dangerous) that a blanking plug could be fitted to return it to 'normal' operation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Elaner Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 I believe an HF track cleaner will fry a decoder, but if you don't want any function from it, then a dead decoder will do nothing, which may be exactly all you want it to do. I find it very annoying that you would be forced to pay extra for something you don't want at all in the first place. I use DCC & would much rather pay £10 less for the model then an extra £20 for a decoder I am happy with..if I wanted to add lights. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Roy Langridge Posted October 13, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 13, 2017 I believe an HF track cleaner will fry a decoder, but if you don't want any function from it, then a dead decoder will do nothing, which may be exactly all you want it to do. I find it very annoying that you would be forced to pay extra for something you don't want at all in the first place. I use DCC & would much rather pay £10 less for the model then an extra £20 for a decoder I am happy with..if I wanted to add lights. As long as frying the decoder does not result in it getting red hot and melting /damaging surrounding components, which I had from a decoder installed in a Hornby Class 56 I got from ebay. Thankfully I had the body off at the time to lubricate it. Roy Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NINJA Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 Why cannot they fit a decoder like on US Bachmann stock where the item can be operated on dcc or analogue? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted October 13, 2017 Share Posted October 13, 2017 whats not been discussed (probably too soon unless somebody has spoken to a Bachmann rep on the subject?) is whether you can maybe turn the lights on in a complete rake with the push of a single function button. not sure if you can program each decoder with the same address to do that or whether its a case of entering each coach address then setting on the lights you want which if you have a couple of lengthy rakes will take a fair bit of time or you leave them on switch off the layout power then.when you run trains at your next session and switch the power back on the decoders all remember what the setting was before power was switched off and return to that setting ie; all lights come back on. the Bachmann video shows the 3 coaches each controlled separately but not together. maybe that's how they will operate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SRman Posted October 14, 2017 Share Posted October 14, 2017 There should be no reason why you could not use the same address for each decoder in a fixed rake, or 'consist' them, which would give greater flexibility if you move coaches around between sets. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JSpencer Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 whats not been discussed (probably too soon unless somebody has spoken to a Bachmann rep on the subject?) is whether you can maybe turn the lights on in a complete rake with the push of a single function button. not sure if you can program each decoder with the same address to do that or whether its a case of entering each coach address then setting on the lights you want which if you have a couple of lengthy rakes will take a fair bit of time or you leave them on switch off the layout power then.when you run trains at your next session and switch the power back on the decoders all remember what the setting was before power was switched off and return to that setting ie; all lights come back on. the Bachmann video shows the 3 coaches each controlled separately but not together. maybe that's how they will operate. Under DCC, you can either give them different addresses and consist them via the controller (normally the more sophisticated ones) or just give them all the same address. When you say number 252 light up, the entire rake should light up. Of course, we do not know what chips Bachmann will be using. (should be simple function ones rather than a fully blown loco chip). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pete the Elaner Posted October 16, 2017 Share Posted October 16, 2017 Why cannot they fit a decoder like on US Bachmann stock where the item can be operated on dcc or analogue? I am not sure what you mean. DCC decoders will respond to DC. This can be disabled if required but is enabled by default. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted October 16, 2017 RMweb Gold Share Posted October 16, 2017 I would assume (always dangerous) that a blanking plug could be fitted to return it to 'normal' operation. What’s considered to be normal ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
delticfan Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 Which Christmas are these due out? This decade or next? Nearly two years since I was told by a Bachmann rep at York Model Show to expect them by Christmas, that was Easter 2016! Are they going ahead with them, if not what about a bit of crowdfunding, I could do with a few. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BR(S) Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 Which Christmas are these due out? This decade or next? Nearly two years since I was told by a Bachmann rep at York Model Show to expect them by Christmas, that was Easter 2016! Are they going ahead with them, if not what about a bit of crowdfunding, I could do with a few. Bachmann website says predicted release of July/August 2018. EP images shown here: http://www.Bachmann.co.uk/prod1.php?prod_selected=branchline&prod=6 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cs233 Posted December 23, 2017 Share Posted December 23, 2017 Looking forward to these being released, it has been so long, however the engineering samples do look very nice indeed. Saying that the really old Mk2d former Airfix, Dapol and Hornby tooling is not that bad, the shape seems good although the Bachmann one is for sure going to be much more advanced. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThaneofFife Posted December 24, 2017 Share Posted December 24, 2017 (edited) It would be really helpful to know more about how these DCC on Board coaches/DBSO are worked out of the box. Weve seen the lights demonstrated in pre-painted sample stage but close ups of the coaches in profile would be good especially on the painted samples now so we can see the detail and/or décor inside (if any). One of the USPs was that these will have detailed interiors but I cannot recall if they were to be nicely painted too. Also the type of the lighting in the various areas such the passenger cabin, the vestibules, toilets and guards areas etc. and whether they are dimmable. Also if say you unbox a rake of 5 and pop them onto your track.........how will they be operated from your dcc controller? Individually? As a rake? Do they need to be consisted and have the same address to switch lights on or off together? Apologies if I have missed clear instructions elsewhere on these coaches and how they will work but I haven't read anything before and it would be good to know these things if Bachmann have now signed off on the DCC lighting functionality if punters are expected to pay about £75 a coach RRP circa £63 discounted. Its a lot of cash to splash when you don't have the full techy detail. I've pre-ordered 8 x Blue/Grey DCC on board Mk2fs and since the reveal of the Inter-City Executive version (not swallow livery afterall) I am seriously considering pre-ordering a further 8 in that super livery but would feel better if I knew how they worked. Presumably there are no other chips to buy and install purely based on the fact Bachmann refer to them as "DCC on Board" just like a dcc on board loco can run right out of the box - I expect these coaches to be unwrap and play straight from the boxes. Any more info please Bachmann or is the final tech yet to be approved? Edited January 9, 2018 by ThaneofFife 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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RMweb Premium MJI Posted January 10, 2018 RMweb Premium Share Posted January 10, 2018 One rake I am building now has 2x 2F FOs in it Using Airfix, in fact all 9 vehicles of 2C D E F will be Airfix. Still a good model and not worth the price of replacing. And then if you need D or E converting a £10 coach is more logical than £50 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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