'CHARD Posted April 30 Share Posted April 30 At the advised price point, I'm delighted they don't incorporate the digital uncoupling feature. Although that would no doubt only feature on the Platinum level items. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albie the plumber Posted April 30 Share Posted April 30 2 hours ago, 97406 said: The one advantage of adding sound is that the sound file is different, so it gives the loco a different character. Biffo sometimes does different files for a given class which is good too. Having said that, the Bachmann sound projects are very good and the latest 40 is especially driveable. Just could do with room for a bigger speaker without needing a milling machine! I wanted to fit an EM 2 to my 40 a good while back but , having put the chip on the decoder tester and the EM2 under the empty bodyshell , I found the sound quite disappointing with said speaker. Sadly, it just didn't suit Biffs sound project , not to my ear at least. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold D9020 Nimbus Posted April 30 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 30 I must admit that I can't see how the digital uncoupling feature on the class 31 can work, as it appears to lift both the hooks — this would require the hooks to be capable of being attracted by a magnet which I'm not sure all of them are. As an N gauge modeller, my main interest is in hoping that Bachmann can use some of the research to produce a "newer body style" class 25 in the scale. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
woodenhead Posted April 30 Share Posted April 30 1 minute ago, D9020 Nimbus said: I must admit that I can't see how the digital uncoupling feature on the class 31 can work, as it appears to lift both the hooks — this would require the hooks to be capable of being attracted by a magnet which I'm not sure all of them are. As an N gauge modeller, my main interest is in hoping that Bachmann can use some of the research to produce a "newer body style" class 25 in the scale. I think it pushes both couplings up physically I don't think it's using magnets - it might simply be pushing the other coupling clear of the loco's coupling loop so the loco can move away. So the question is then how is it executed, is the coupling unit wired to the PCB for control or something else? I would hope they are offering something that allows for retrofitting and perhaps one day it is offered as a seperate part. Are there perhaps already aux connectors on PCB that could be soldered onto, I don't know enough about the PCB designs to know. 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 97406 Posted April 30 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 30 (edited) 2 hours ago, Albie the plumber said: I wanted to fit an EM 2 to my 40 a good while back but , having put the chip on the decoder tester and the EM2 under the empty bodyshell , I found the sound quite disappointing with said speaker. Sadly, it just didn't suit Biffs sound project , not to my ear at least. I've got a couple of 37s with the Accurathrash speakers and Biffo sounds and they sound good, although I think they are different to the EM1s and 2s. I have one or two 27mm round base reflex speakers in most of my 40s and they are good but lack the bass of the Accurathrash speakers. Edited April 30 by 97406 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold franciswilliamwebb Posted April 30 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 30 6 minutes ago, D9020 Nimbus said: I must admit that I can't see how the digital uncoupling feature on the class 31 can work, as it appears to lift both the hooks — this would require the hooks to be capable of being attracted by a magnet which I'm not sure all of them are. That’s not how it works. Watch the Class 31 announcement video if you’re interested 👍🏻 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold zr2498 Posted April 30 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 30 7 hours ago, 97406 said: They do look nice, though I have most variants covered with recent Heljan purchases and ones on order from SLW. I’ll go for 2 middle sound fitted blue 25/1 models and save a few bob by weathering them myself. They’ll need dominoes fitting as well. Agree they do look nice, and it looks as though they will be catering for most variants. Hopefully delivery of these will be straight forward. That is, delivery to Bachmann and retailers, and then a speedy onward journey the customers. 🙂 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mophead45143 Posted April 30 Share Posted April 30 (edited) 9 hours ago, Legend said: Strange that there’s only one banger blue 25/1 from what I can see and that’s weathered . It's Bachmann, they often choose the frustrating option! We've waited over 20 years for them to do a class 46 with marker lights, and that's now being done in their typically unrealistic weathering! Ughh, don't get me started on Bachmann's choice of peak prototypes...! Edit: Just seen the pristine option. Edited April 30 by Mophead45143 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Covkid Posted April 30 Share Posted April 30 (edited) Watched the Key Model World video and have to say Richard Proudman has researched his rattery very well. The only fact I think he may have slipped up on is there were actually four class 25/1s bullt without boilers D5179-D5182. These spent some time in South Wales working iron ore trains amongst others. Renumbered they became 25029-25032 but only the latter received dual brakes and a slight stay of execution, which I appreciated. The fifth of that body type was 25242 which I believe was built with a boiler but had it removed when BR selected it for dual braking. Information is quite scarce in the public domain, but in my opinion the boiler was removed to make way for the extra pipework and compressor, after which it was realised that the works could convert a loco to dual braking and retain a serviceable steam generation. Visually 25242 looked very much like 25032 with the boiler water tanks missing from between the bogies. Sticking with the video it is good to see 25085 modelled in BR blue. I was hanging around New St on Sunday 3rd January 1982, when an additional service to Bristol was announced. The gen in the waiting room was the boiler on the class 45 was demic so Saltley were sending up a 25 to steam the coaches. Looking down the Derby tunnel we could see a 25 approaching but....... it had a deep middle windscreen !!!! 25083 rolled into the platform and coupled straight onto the train, then 45065 dropped on top of it. We departed via Proof House and the "secondman" on the 25 was not shy with the "noise making lever" on the climb to Proof House and the climb from St Andrews up to Camp Hill. I was especially pleased as it was the only time I ever had a class 45 and class 25 working in tandem. Very happy to see this video and hear the news tomorrow but based on the models on the video I espied D5179 GSYP no boiler tank 25057 BFYE D5225 GSYP 25085 BFYE D5282 GSYP D7525 GFYE weathered D7660 BSYP D7672 Retro GFYE Really fantastic news Edited April 30 by Covkid 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
roythebus1 Posted April 30 Share Posted April 30 I've had remote uncoupling for years, called Kadee. Far cheaper than all these electronic gimmics. what surprise me is that everyone spends a fortune to have the latest super-duper detailed model then runs it unprototypical Peco track and uses great big tension lock couplings. 1 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
steve1023 Posted April 30 Share Posted April 30 16 minutes ago, Covkid said: Watched the Key Model World video and have to say Richard Proudman has researched his rattery very well. The only fact I think he may have slipped up on is there were actually four class 25/1s bullt without boilers D5179-D5182. These spent some time in South Wales working iron ore trains amongst others. Renumbered they became 25029-25032 but only the latter received dual brakes and a slight stay of execution, which I appreciated. The fifth of that body type was 25242 which I believe was built with a boiler but had it removed when BR selected it for dual braking. Information is quite scarce in the public domain, but in my opinion the boiler was removed to make way for the extra pipework and compressor, after which it was realised that the works could convert a loco to dual braking and retain a serviceable steam generation. Visually 25242 looked very much like 25032 with the boiler water tanks missing from between the bogies. Sticking with the video it is good to see 25085 modelled in BR blue. I was hanging around New St on Sunday 3rd January 1982, when an additional service to Bristol was announced. The gen in the waiting room was the boiler on the class 45 was demic so Saltley were sending up a 25 to steam the coaches. Looking down the Derby tunnel we could see a 25 approaching but....... it had a deep middle windscreen !!!! 25083 rolled into the platform and coupled straight onto the train, then 45065 dropped on top of it. We departed via Proof House and the "secondman" on the 25 was not shy with the "noise making lever" on the climb to Proof House and the climb from St Andrews up to Camp Hill. I was especially pleased as it was the only time I ever had a class 45 and class 25 working in tandem. Very happy to see this video and hear the news tomorrow but based on the models on the video I espied D5179 GSYP no boiler tank 25057 BFYE D5225 GSYP 25085 BFYE D5282 GSYP D7525 GFYE weathered D7660 BSYP D7672 Retro GFYE Really fantastic news Thumbnail for the vid has 25155, with painted buffers and odd display on the headcode. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Kaput Posted April 30 RMweb Gold Share Posted April 30 Looking good, guessing they were too far through the development process to alter the tooling to squeeze in holes/wires for the auto uncouplers. As for the comparison with the SLW ones, these have the major advantage of being able to walk into a shop and leave with one instead of possibly dieing of old age by the time your SLW order is actually packed up and shipped to you after seemingly being in the country for weeks/months.... 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted April 30 Share Posted April 30 2 minutes ago, Kaput said: As for the comparison with the SLW ones, these have the major advantage of being able to walk into a shop and leave with one instead of possibly dieing of old age by the time your SLW order is actually packed up and shipped to you after seemingly being in the country for weeks/months.... I'm pleased and reassured that these are being produced by an established manufacturer that supports a retail network and offers a meaningful after-sales service that goes beyond just warranty support. I have great respect for SLW, and I have one example of their Class 24s (possibly to be joined by a few of the Inverness versions), but by their own admission they are a one trick pony, albeit a pony with a very comprehensive tooling suite. As others have said, access to and availability of the Bachmann versions will be much easier, and as far as I'm concerned you'll not get a fag paper between the competitors in terms of likeness and fidelity to the prototype. 4 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold 97406 Posted May 1 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 1 8 hours ago, 'CHARD said: I'm pleased and reassured that these are being produced by an established manufacturer that supports a retail network and offers a meaningful after-sales service that goes beyond just warranty support. I have great respect for SLW, and I have one example of their Class 24s (possibly to be joined by a few of the Inverness versions), but by their own admission they are a one trick pony, albeit a pony with a very comprehensive tooling suite. As others have said, access to and availability of the Bachmann versions will be much easier, and as far as I'm concerned you'll not get a fag paper between the competitors in terms of likeness and fidelity to the prototype. I’m going to keep my SLW orders open. The sound on them is brilliant and one of them is the Ice Cream Van version of Tamworth Castle which isn’t being produced by Bachmann yet. One advantage of the slow lead times with SLW is there’s plenty of time to slip the odd Bachmann one (or several) in, but then I’m happy to collect Rats. The downside for SLW thereafter is that after my 3 SLW ones have arrived, it will be difficult to not cherrypick more Bachmann 25s as they come out rather than order and wait for the SLW ones. Hopefully they will be able to react and evolve as the funds trickle in from sales as I’d like to see both manufacturers do well out of their 25s. 4 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fredo Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 Hi, I saw the video yesterday about the upcoming 25’s. I intend to get Darlington built D5179 and Derby built D7660 which became an Ethel. Do you know what year D7660 received Standard Blue livery? Also do you know when D7525 received full yellow ends and a data panel with its Green livery ? Thanks Fred Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 50 minutes ago, Fredo said: Hi, I saw the video yesterday about the upcoming 25’s. I intend to get Darlington built D5179 and Derby built D7660 which became an Ethel. Do you know what year D7660 received Standard Blue livery? Also do you know when D7525 received full yellow ends and a data panel with its Green livery ? Thanks Fred D7660 was new and delivered in blue. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold adb968008 Posted May 1 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 1 11 hours ago, Covkid said: Watched the Key Model World video and have to say Richard Proudman has researched his rattery very well. The only fact I think he may have slipped up on is there were actually four class 25/1s bullt without boilers D5179-D5182. These spent some time in South Wales working iron ore trains amongst others. Renumbered they became 25029-25032 but only the latter received dual brakes and a slight stay of execution, which I appreciated. The fifth of that body type was 25242 which I believe was built with a boiler but had it removed when BR selected it for dual braking. Information is quite scarce in the public domain, but in my opinion the boiler was removed to make way for the extra pipework and compressor, after which it was realised that the works could convert a loco to dual braking and retain a serviceable steam generation. Visually 25242 looked very much like 25032 with the boiler water tanks missing from between the bogies. The definitive rat resource… https://www.derbysulzers.com/Pic.html and 25242 specifically https://www.derbysulzers.com/25242.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted May 1 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 1 2 hours ago, Fredo said: Hi, I saw the video yesterday about the upcoming 25’s. I intend to get Darlington built D5179 and Derby built D7660 which became an Ethel. Do you know what year D7660 received Standard Blue livery? Also do you know when D7525 received full yellow ends and a data panel with its Green livery ? Thanks Fred D7660 was delivered in BSYP in Dec 1966, it was in standard BFYE by June 1970. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moderators AY Mod Posted May 1 Moderators Share Posted May 1 32-333 Class 25/3 D7660 BR Blue (Small Yellow Panels) £ 199.95 32-333SF Class 25/3 D7660 BR Blue (Small Yellow Panels) £ 309.95 32-333SFX Class 25/3 D7660 BR Blue (Small Yellow Panels) £ 339.95 32-334 Class 25/3 D7672 'Tamworth Castle' BR Two-Tone Green (Full Yell. Ends) £ 199.95 32-334SF Class 25/3 D7672 'Tamworth Castle' BR Two-Tone Green (Full Yell. Ends) £ 309.95 32-334SFX Class 25/3 D7672 'Tamworth Castle' BR Two-Tone Green (Full Yell. Ends) £ 339.95 32-340 Class 25/1 25057 BR Blue [W] £ 209.95 32-340SF Class 25/1 25057 BR Blue [W] £ 319.95 32-340SFX Class 25/1 25057 BR Blue [W] £ 349.95 32-340A Class 25/1 25057 BR Blue £ 199.95 32-340ASF Class 25/1 25057 BR Blue £ 309.95 32-340ASFX Class 25/1 25057 BR Blue £ 339.95 32-341 Class 25/2 D5282 BR Two-Tone Green (Small Yellow Panels) £ 199.95 32-341SF Class 25/2 D5282 BR Two-Tone Green (Small Yellow Panels) £ 309.95 32-341SFX Class 25/2 D5282 BR Two-Tone Green (Small Yellow Panels) £ 339.95 32-342 Class 25/2 D7525 BR Two-Tone Green (Full Yellow Ends) [W] £ 209.95 32-342SF Class 25/2 D7525 BR Two-Tone Green (Full Yellow Ends) [W] £ 319.95 32-342SFX Class 25/2 D7525 BR Two-Tone Green (Full Yellow Ends) [W] £ 349.95 32-343 Class 25/1 D5225 BR Green (Small Yellow Panels) £ 199.95 32-343SF Class 25/1 D5225 BR Green (Small Yellow Panels) £ 309.95 32-343SFX Class 25/1 D5225 BR Green (Small Yellow Panels) £ 339.95 32-343A Class 25/1 D5179 BR Green (Small Yellow Panels) £ 199.95 32-343ASF Class 25/1 D5179 BR Green (Small Yellow Panels) £ 309.95 32-343ASFX Class 25/1 D5179 BR Green (Small Yellow Panels) £ 339.95 32-344 Class 25/2 25085 BR Blue £ 199.95 32-344SF Class 25/2 25085 BR Blue £ 309.95 32-344SFX Class 25/2 25085 BR Blue £ 339.95 32-345 Class 25/2 25155 BR Blue £ 199.95 32-345SF Class 25/2 25155 BR Blue £ 309.95 32-345SFX Class 25/2 25155 BR Blue £ 339.95 32-346 Class 25/2 25106 BR Blue [W] £ 209.95 32-346SF Class 25/2 25106 BR Blue [W] £ 319.95 32-346SFX Class 25/2 25106 BR Blue [W] £ 349.95 9 1 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium brushman47544 Posted May 1 RMweb Premium Share Posted May 1 Very pleased to see that 25057 is now also to be produced unweathered. 25155 could also be of interest as it was a WR loco for a while. I don’t think I missed it in the two videos (Bachmann and HM), have we been told why the buffer are shiny rather than painted black? Was 25155 painted up for a special working at some point? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold JohnR Posted May 1 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 1 Could someone advise whether I could renumber 25 085 to 25 083? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted May 1 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 1 12 minutes ago, JohnR said: Could someone advise whether I could renumber 25 085 to 25 083? Don't see why not, they were in very similar condition between 1976-79. From 1980 they both acquired the Glasgow Works bodyside numbers and domino headcode. 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Halvarras Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 With such a large class to choose from I'm not sure why 25155 (already done by Heljan) was selected again - I wonder if that headcode was supposed to be '8V09?! - or why the weathered 25057 couldn't have been given a different number to the pristine one for those who may want both ex-works and 'well-used' early versions. Pleased to see D5179 without a water tank, more than Bachmann achieved with D5182....! At least Bsyp D7660 doesn't repeat D7661 for a third time (with its livery variation), and as for D7672 'Tamworth Castle'..........well, it holds a similar status to 97201 'Experiment' so not that surprised to see it again TBH! Looking at the represented one replacement cab side window frame on 25106 I presume this model is also correct in being devoid of data panels in the condition shown. 1 hour ago, brushman47544 said: Very pleased to see that 25057 is now also to be produced unweathered. 25155 could also be of interest as it was a WR loco for a while. I don’t think I missed it in the two videos (Bachmann and HM), have we been told why the buffer are shiny rather than painted black? Was 25155 painted up for a special working at some point? 25155 was indeed Laira's longest-serving later-style Class 25, alongside early-style like 25223/5 and 25052, and so a regular on china clay traffic. It did participate in the RPPR 'Penzance Pullman' railtour with 37299 in April 1980 but whereas the '37' was near ex-works the '25' didn't appear to have received any special treatment. Cornish Class 25s became history six months later. Non-boiler 5180 closely followed by 5179 had spearheaded the Class 25's nine-year reign in the county in July/August 1971. 5180 arrived at St Blazey on a freight during the early evening of 30th July, and I found 5179 clearance-testing Truro Yard, still in the process of remodelling, during August - I wish I'd noted the date but I was only passing by that day! They were both ex-Leeds Holbeck (5180 still had cast 55A shedplates attached to the driver's cabsides) and I've seen a photo of this loco in green livery with modified exhaust as early as 1967 - I assume D5179 was likewise, as modelled here, but I don't know about D5225. 2 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Southernman46 Posted May 1 Share Posted May 1 (edited) 1 hour ago, Halvarras said: With such a large class to choose from I'm not sure why 25155 (already done by Heljan) was selected again Me - I'm thinking - thank God I can have 25155 now without getting the Heljan one and needing to do something about that awful weathering it emerged with 😬 Edited May 1 by Southernman46 G 2 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold franciswilliamwebb Posted May 1 RMweb Gold Share Posted May 1 49 minutes ago, Southernman46 said: Me - I'm thinking - thank god I can have 25155 now without getting the Heljan one and needing to do something about that awful weathering it emerged with 😬 Death by Dulcolax😳 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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