Moderators Popular Post AY Mod Posted November 24, 2022 Moderators Popular Post Share Posted November 24, 2022 Newton Chambers Car Transporter joins HELJAN ‘OO’ Collection HELJAN’s range of high-quality ‘OO’ gauge rolling stock will expand in early-2023 with the release of six coach packs featuring the stylish double-deck car transporters built by Newton Chambers for BR Eastern Region in 1960/61. Visitors to the Warley National Model Railway Exhibition at the NEC this weekend will be the first to see factory-decorated samples of the new models. Featuring a high specification and fine detail throughout, the vehicles will be offered in matching triple packs in BR Lined Maroon and BR ‘Motorail’ Blue/Grey covering their entire 25-year career. Close attention to detail means that vehicles will feature either the original or revised pattern of fibreglass roof lights plus vacuum brake/steam heat and dual brake/dual heating vehicles with the Electric Train Heat (ETH) and air brake equipment added to several car transporters towards the end of their life. Fine details include separately fitted handbrake wheels, end door details, air pipes, etched train ferry lashing eyes, steam heat, vacuum brake and ETH equipment. NEM couplers and sprung buffers are fitted as standard. Suggested Retail Price (SRP) for the high-quality presentation packs is £229.00. Originally designated as TCVs, the vehicles later became NVV (vacuum braked) and NVX (dual braked) under BR’s TOPS computer system. Unusually, they featured a hydraulically operated central well capable of storing two cars as well as four cars on the upper deck – a 50% increase in capacity over more conventional car carrying vehicles of the time. When introduced in the early-1960s, the TCV car transporters were used between London, York and Edinburgh in sets of five or six vehicles with a handful of BR maroon Mk1 coaches, hauled by ex-LNER ‘Pacifics’ and later BR green ‘Deltics’, Class 40s, 45s, 46s or 47s. From the late-1960s onwards, they were painted in BR blue/grey and started to venture further afield on ‘Motorail’ services from London and northern England to the West of England, being hauled by Class 45s, 46s, 47s and ‘Westerns’. However, they were closely associated with the East Coast Main Line throughout their career. #9620 EASTERN REGION CAR TRANSPORTER PACK 1: BR Lined Maroon E96288/289/290E #9621 EASTERN REGION CAR TRANSPORTER PACK 2: BR Lined Maroon E96286/293/297E #9622 EASTERN REGION CAR TRANSPORTER PACK 3: BR Lined Maroon E96287/291/294E #9623 BR MOTORAIL PACK 1: BR Blue/Grey TCV E96290/297/298E #9624 BR MOTORAIL PACK 2: BR Blue/Grey NVX E96291/294/299E #9625 BR MOTORAIL PACK 3: BR Blue/Grey NVV E96288/289/293E WEATHERED Factory decorated prototypes are now in the UK for review and we expect production to start in early-2023 with the first batch of car transporters due in shops in Spring 2023. Look out for further updates on all these new models here and on our Facebook page over the coming months! 30 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold BMacdermott Posted November 24, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 24, 2022 Congratulations to Heljan on this announcement! These car transporters were only just outside High Polling in The 00 Wishlist Poll 2019. Brian (on behalf of The 00 Poll Team) 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium andythenorth Posted November 24, 2022 RMweb Premium Share Posted November 24, 2022 Never knew I needed wanted these until I saw this 🙂 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
69843 Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 Even though these only saw limited service, I can see these being extremely popular. Especially as you can make the train ready-to-run now with a set of Mk1s and the TCVs behind a suitable Pacific or diesel. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidw Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 Oh dear more expense! How will I explain this to the wife! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Hodgson Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 Oh yes please ! I've got a couple of kit-built ones (Southern Pride?) Very expensive for 3 coaches, but if they're as good as the drawings they do look the business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'CHARD Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 Not forgetting their diagrammed use to and from Perth via Cowdenbeath and Kinross - W.V.Anderson's photo of a Brush Type 4 on Glenfarg bank hauling the down working is classic. Are the end doors opening, or the roofs removable so I can install a vehicular load? We know about the unhealthy obsession I have with cartrains.... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LNERandBR Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 What's an example formation from the 80s? I presume there were passenger coaches then a number of these at the rear? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Suzy Sulzer Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 (edited) .Nice to see new rolling stock announcement pre NEC show. Rather than a locomotive. Hopefully were see another production run of ESSO Class A tanks. Also ESSO B variant too in oo. During 2023 HINT HINT Edited November 24, 2022 by Suzy Sulzer typo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
61661 Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 24 minutes ago, 'CHARD said: Not forgetting their diagrammed use to and from Perth via Cowdenbeath and Kinross - W.V.Anderson's photo of a Brush Type 4 on Glenfarg bank hauling the down working is classic. Are the end doors opening, or the roofs removable so I can install a vehicular load? We know about the unhealthy obsession I have with cartrains.... Just for you Chard, the roofs are easily removable - held in place by small but strong magnets. We will be demonstrating this feature at the NEC this weekend. Unfortunately for you, it won't be possible to put any cars in the centre well as that's where we've put all the weight. 4 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
61661 Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 50 minutes ago, Michael Hodgson said: Oh yes please ! I've got a couple of kit-built ones (Southern Pride?) Very expensive for 3 coaches, but if they're as good as the drawings they do look the business. I know I'm biased, but they are even better than the livery artwork. The samples received this week have a real 'wow' factor. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Darius43 Posted November 24, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 24, 2022 Very nice - I have several Southern Pride kits in the stash as well as a couple of built examples. I’ll stick with those as something for my retirement next year. Cheers Darius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold stovepipe Posted November 24, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 24, 2022 Excellent choice. I was wondering why a number of Southern Pride kits were finding their way onto ebay.... 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steamport Southport Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 Strange they are in packs of three. Seems a common number now. I was under the impression they usually worked in 4 or 8 car sets. In later years there was 5 with one being a spare. Jason Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wombatofludham Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 Interesting announcement, whilst not for me they are very distinctive and even starred in a BTF or two. As for price, it works out at about £70 per vehicle which given their uniqueness and relatively narrow geographical range which I suspect may affect sales numbers isn't a bad price really. It's nice to see some of the more oddball non passenger stock being announced, gives me hope for a Class 310 unit at some time (not so subtle hint there, @61661) 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
64F Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 8 minutes ago, Steamport Southport said: Strange they are in packs of three. Seems a common number now. I was under the impression they usually worked in 4 or 8 car sets. In later years there was 5 with one being a spare. Jason Searching for pics of the "Anglo Scottish Car Carrier" suggests six (plus four mk1 carriages) was standard in the 1960s. Nice announcement, and by present standards the price seems pretty reasonable especially for a somewhat niche prototype with few livery choices. 3 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted November 24, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 24, 2022 Wonderful news ….. had been hoping someone would take these on . Early 70s they were on the Stirling - NA circuit which had two coaching sets allocated, worked alternate days given the journey times involved. One set had car carriers, the other flats. Two packs for us please…. Shame the blue/grey ones are all TOPs branded but we can soon fix that…. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
61661 Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 16 minutes ago, Steamport Southport said: Strange they are in packs of three. Seems a common number now. I was under the impression they usually worked in 4 or 8 car sets. In later years there was 5 with one being a spare. Jason In the maroon years they often worked in sixes with 4 Mk1 day coaches. Haven't seen eight together in any of the research we've done. The number used in each train steadily dwindled to two or three during the blue/grey period, so packs of three makes most sense. 4 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
37114 Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 Great to see, although now sold I loved the 4mm one I had. I thought they were an Eastern Region only wagon then found a photo of a solitary one at Newton Abbot and then4 at Bristol behind a Warship. I will hold off searching for a Westdale 7mm one now in the hope that Heljan upscale it to 7mm in the future. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Din Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 24 minutes ago, Steamport Southport said: Strange they are in packs of three. Seems a common number now. I was under the impression they usually worked in 4 or 8 car sets. In later years there was 5 with one being a spare. Jason It's like when the sell Ham in a pack of ten but cobs/rolls etc in a pack of six. Gotta buy more. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
61661 Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 5 minutes ago, Phil Bullock said: Shame the blue/grey ones are all TOPs branded but we can soon fix that…. Not quite - pack #9623 is in the early version of blue/grey (with blue roofs and brown bogies) applied in the late-1960s retaining the 'TCV' code. The other packs are branded NVV (vac brake/steam heat) and NVX (dual heat/dual brake) for the 1970s/80s. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted November 24, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 24, 2022 1 minute ago, 64F said: Searching for pics of the "Anglo Scottish Car Carrier" suggests six (plus four mk1 carriages) was standard in the 1960s. Nice announcement, and by present standards the price seems pretty reasonable especially for a somewhat niche prototype with few livery choices. A general formula for motorail trains seems to be one compartment per car … plus a catering vehicle and brake. Although these were built to carry six cars IIRC they were limited to four after an incident involving a staff member being trapped under the lower deck when it was lowered. Coaching stock was often first class too so MK1 FK and BFK …. The latter Not made yet (hint hint) but an option for a cut and shut from other coaches. So with 4 cars per TCV and 7 compartments in an FK a ratio of 2:1 is about right for prototypical trains… some long formations ran, loading up to 16 vehicles. Fiddle yard loops on the new layout have been designed to accommodate them…. We wait to see if the motive power can cope! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Phil Bullock Posted November 24, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 24, 2022 (edited) 3 minutes ago, 61661 said: Not quite - pack #9623 is in the early version of blue/grey (with blue roofs and brown bogies) applied in the late-1960s retaining the 'TCV' code. The other packs are branded NVV (vac brake/steam heat) and NVX (dual heat/dual brake) for the 1970s/80s. Oh thanks Ben … missed that! That pre TOPs blue period sometimes gets missed. So duplicate packs and renumbered then.. Edited November 24, 2022 by Phil Bullock 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold MikeParkin65 Posted November 24, 2022 RMweb Gold Share Posted November 24, 2022 1 minute ago, 61661 said: In the maroon years they often worked in sixes with 4 Mk1 day coaches. Haven't seen eight together in any of the research we've done. The number used in each train steadily dwindled to two or three during the blue/grey period, so packs of three makes most sense. Fair price for 3. I reckon most of us here dont run full length trains so happy to buy 3 and run something representative. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eastwestdivide Posted November 24, 2022 Share Posted November 24, 2022 (edited) Some formations from 1980s overnight trains including these with rakes of Mk3 sleepers over on this thread https://www.rmweb.co.uk/topic/16907-mk3-sleeper-trains-bluegrey-livery/ Edited November 24, 2022 by eastwestdivide 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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