Dave F's photos - ongoing - more added each day

[jwealleans]

30 minutes ago, Fat Controller said:

I wonder what that SNCF (?) ferry van was doing there?

Agreed, SNCF FASU (or whatever they were calling them by then - HFA?)

 

More or less the same as the one in the NRM.

[DaveF]

This afternoon's photos are once again from Northumberland, on the ECML at Buston Barns, south of Alnmouth.

 

 

Buston Barns Class 254 down  site of Warkworth station in background April 81 J7340

 

 

Buston Barns Class 254 up Feb 85 J8227

 

 

Buston Barns Class 254 down Aberdonian going away Oct 85 J8437

 

 

Buston Barns Class 143 Newcastle to Alnmouth August 87 J9143

 

 

Buston Barns Class 142 Berwick to Newcastle June 90 J10975

 

 

David

Edited November 29, 2022 by DaveF

[Market65]

Good evening, David. The replacement photo’s of Barton on Humber are excellent, and J136, of a class 114 DMU, in June, 1964, unless I’m much mistaken, on the top of the cab roof are traces of the white finish. 

The ECML in Northumberland at Buston Barns photo’s are a superb selection, and in J9143, with a class 143, on a Newcastle to Alnmouth service, in August, 1987, a forbidding, stormy looking sky has been well captured, and the 143 is part of a superbly composed photograph.

With warmest regards,

 

 Rob.

[JeffP]

23 hours ago, Fat Controller said:

I wonder what that SNCF (?) ferry van was doing there?

Possibly waiting to be tripped into the Albright and Wilson chemical plant?

[DaveF]

A few photos at Derby for this morning's replacements.

 

The first four were taken when I was on my way to or from Manchester, the last one was a week when I travelled around with an East Midlands Ranger ticket.

 

 

Derby Water Tower, loco works and drawing office June 69 J1767

 

 

Derby cranes outside works April 71 C574

 

 

Derby Class 20 down goods May 72 C0939

 

 

Derby Class 120 Crewe to Lincoln May 72 C940  Despite the destination blind saying Derby.

 

 

Derby 25134 & 25126 Derby to Skegness, 45014 to south west 8th Aug 77 C3411

 

 

David

Edited November 30, 2022 by DaveF

[DaveF]

 

The photos are from the ECML in Northumberland again this afternoon, this time around Ulgham Lane crossing.

 

Note the slight difference in the application of the red band on the HST power cars.

 

Ulgham Lane crossing 56119 Butterwell to Blyth Power station Dec 89 J10579

 

 

Ulgham Lane crossing 43118 Aberdeen to Kings X May 93 J13869

 

 

Ulgham Lane crossing 56120 down coal July 93 J14368

 

 

Ulgham Lane crossing 43117 up 28th Oct 95 C20620

 

 

Ulgham Lane crossing 91011 down 17th Feb 96 C20748

 

 

David

[Market65]

Good evening, David. That’s a superb set of replacement photo’s of Derby. In the last photo’ of 25134 and 25126 on a Derby to Skegness service, and with 45014, on a service to the south west, on the 8th August,1977, you have captured a great portrait shot of 25134. 
The photo’s of the ECML in Northumberland at Ulgham Lane crossing are an excellent selection, and the first one of 56119, on a Butterwell to Blyth Power station coal train in December, 1989, is a well caught shot of the 56 giving out a good plume of exhaust as it accelerates from what may have been either a red signal or permanent way restriction. 
 

With warmest regards,

 

 Rob.

[sb67]

 

That is a fine photo, very inspirational, it could be the entrance/exit to a micro layout!

[DaveF]

This morning's replacements are from around Scout Green on Shap.  They date from 1973 and 1976 and therefore show both diesels and electrics.

 

 

Scout Green 2 Class 50s  437 and ano Glasgow to Euston Feb 73 C1199

 

 

Scout Green 2x Class 50 down Royal Scot Feb 73 C1200

 

 

Scout Green Class 86 up ex pass 17th Aug 76 C2987

 

 

 Scout Green 86015 Liverpool to Glasgow Aug 76 J5412

 

 

Scout Green Class 86 Glasgow to Euston Aug 76 J5415

 

 

David

Edited December 1, 2022 by DaveF
typing error

[corneliuslundie]

Not only the change of motive power but from semaphore to colour light signals.

Jonathan

[DaveF]

 This afternoon we have a few photos taken alomngh the ECML between Darlington and Newcastle.

 

It is difficult to get photos of the viaduct at Plawsworth as it is very heavily wooded, the one below is the only reasonable photo I've ever managed to take of it.

 

 

Stone Bridge Deerness Valley Junction view north 16th Oct 93 C19104

 

 

Plawsworth viaduct 12th March 94 C19331

 

 

Plawsworth HST up 22nd Oct 86 C8105

 

 

Tyne Yard 10th March 90 C14151

 

 

Tyne Yard HST up 7th March 87 C8244

 

 

David

[Oldddudders]

6 hours ago, corneliuslundie said:

Not only the change of motive power but from semaphore to colour light signals.

Jonathan

 

 

[43110andyb]

Great vintage films! I love the dubbed voice over saying there’s no time to drink tea - obviously not a rail worker 😂😂

[Market65]

Good evening, David. That is a great selection of photo’s of Scout Green on Shap, on the WCML from 1973 and 1976. In J5412, with 86015, on a Liverpool to Glasgow express, in August, 1976, the second carriage would appear to be an all first. 
The ECML photo’s from between Darlington and Newcastle are fascinating, and the last one at Tyne Yard, with a HST, on an  up express on the 7th March, 1987, shows that although the power cars had been repainted, the Mklll’s were still waiting for their new coat of paint.

 

With warmest regards,

 

 Rob.

[DaveF]

Today's replacements come from Manningtree South Junction, which is at the south end of the triangular junction with the line to Harwich at the north end of Manningtree station.

 

 

Manningtree south junction Class 105 Colchester to Peterborough May 75 J4291

 

 

Manningtree south junction Class 31 up Day Continental May 75 J4292

 

 

Manningtree South Junction Class 105 leaving for Harwich May 75 C2029

 

 

Manningtree south junction Class 37 up ex pass May 75 J4304

 

 

Manningtree south junction Class 105 Harwich to Manningtree Nov 76 C3087

 

 

David

Edited December 2, 2022 by DaveF

[eastwestdivide]

4 hours ago, DaveF said:

J4304

Would that 3-coach train have been on the Peterborough/Cambridge-Bury-Ipswich-Colchester axis? Pretty sure there were some loco-hauled turns there long into the 1970s. Otherwise a bit short for a London train! Anyone know the headcodes from back then?

Edited December 2, 2022 by eastwestdivide

[DaveF]

To the south of Cambridge station around 1947/8, all black and white.

 

 

Cambridge B1 E1300 up pass Cambridge to Liverpool St 1948 JVol4005

 

 

Cambridge B17 Kings X to Cambridge 1947 JVol1439

 

 

Cambridge E4 2790 ecs c1948 JVol7289

 

 

Cambridge F6 7236 ecs 1948 JVol1220

 

 

Cambridge J67 8509 le c1947 JVol7088

 

David

Edited December 2, 2022 by DaveF
I missed out the location note.

[35A]

25 minutes ago, eastwestdivide said:

Would that 3-coach train have been on the Peterborough/Cambridge-Bury-Ipswich-Colchester axis? Pretty sure there were some loco-hauled turns there long into the 1970s. Otherwise a bit short for a London train! Anyone know the headcodes from back then?

 

By the turn of the 1970s, the only loco-hauled train on that axis would have been the 12:?? Harwich Parkeston Quay to Peterborough and the 16:48 return (1B13/1C15 - later in the decade they became 1B69/1C18). This was usually a six-coach formation. Monday to Fridays it would be a regular class 31/1 diagram. On a Saturday, in the early part of the decade, it varied between a class 31/0 and a class 37. Latterly it was a class 37 (sometimes a 47).

 

Following the closure of the GN/GE Joint line, the 07:17 Harwich Parkeston Quay to Manchester Piccadilly (1M72) and its 15:15 return (1E87) also ran via Peterborough, which was a class 37 diagram with a longer rake (I forget how many vehicles, now!). By the 1980s, this had become "The European", running onward to/from Glasgow Central and Edinburgh Waverley, via the West Coast main line, and was a Stratford class 47 diagram (47/0s, initially, later moving to 47/4s, once air-conditioned stock had been cascaded).

[Dagworth]

4 minutes ago, 35A said:

By the 1980s, this had become "The European", running onward to/from Glasgow Central and Edinburgh Waverley, via the West Coast main line, and was a Stratford class 47 diagram (47/0s, initially, later moving to 47/4s, once air-conditioned stock had been cascaded).

But very rarely actually worked by a Stratford 47. 

 

We used to go out for it most evenings and it would normally be a "foreigner", if SF locos got sent north on it they didn't come back for ages and SF liked to keep their own locos local if they could.

 

Andi

[woodenhead]

Bit more on the 07:17 Harwich Parkeston Quay to Manchester Piccadilly (1M72) here:

https://features.rcts.org.uk/haulage-highlights/summer-sunday-harwich-boat-train-1980-1983/harwich-boat-train-locomotives-1964-1988/

[eastwestdivide]

1 hour ago, eastwestdivide said:

Would that 3-coach train have been on the Peterborough/Cambridge-Bury-Ipswich-Colchester axis? Pretty sure there were some loco-hauled turns there long into the 1970s. Otherwise a bit short for a London train! Anyone know the headcodes from back then?

Quoting myself, a quick google for 1K11 shows mentions of a 37-hauled 1K11 0712 Ipswich - Liverpool St via Cambridge running in 1976 and 1977 at https://www.class37.co.uk/fleet.aspx?strnumber=37035

but DaveF's photo is captioned "up" 

???!

Edited December 2, 2022 by eastwestdivide
typo

[31A]

16 minutes ago, eastwestdivide said:

Quoting myself, a quick google for 1K11 shows mentiones of a 37-hauled 1K11 0712 Ipswich - Liverpool St via Cambridge running in 1976 and 1977 at https://www.class37.co.uk/fleet.aspx?strnumber=37035

but DaveF's photo is captioned "up" 

???!

 

I remember seeing the Ipswich-Liverpool St. & vice versa passing through Cambridge, where we knew it as the "Bury Fenman".  But it was a full length set, 8 or 9 coaches, and it didn't go through Manningtree anyway!

 

[hexagon789]

1 hour ago, eastwestdivide said:

Would that 3-coach train have been on the Peterborough/Cambridge-Bury-Ipswich-Colchester axis? Pretty sure there were some loco-hauled turns there long into the 1970s. Otherwise a bit short for a London train! Anyone know the headcodes from back then?

 

1 hour ago, 35A said:

 

By the turn of the 1970s, the only loco-hauled train on that axis would have been the 12:?? Harwich Parkeston Quay to Peterborough and the 16:48 return (1B13/1C15 - later in the decade they became 1B69/1C18). This was usually a six-coach formation. Monday to Fridays it would be a regular class 31/1 diagram. On a Saturday, in the early part of the decade, it varied between a class 31/0 and a class 37. Latterly it was a class 37 (sometimes a 47).

 

Following the closure of the GN/GE Joint line, the 07:17 Harwich Parkeston Quay to Manchester Piccadilly (1M72) and its 15:15 return (1E87) also ran via Peterborough, which was a class 37 diagram with a longer rake (I forget how many vehicles, now!). By the 1980s, this had become "The European", running onward to/from Glasgow Central and Edinburgh Waverley, via the West Coast main line, and was a Stratford class 47 diagram (47/0s, initially, later moving to 47/4s, once air-conditioned stock had been cascaded).

 

25 minutes ago, eastwestdivide said:

Quoting myself, a quick google for 1K11 shows mentions of a 37-hauled 1K11 0712 Ipswich - Liverpool St via Cambridge running in 1976 and 1977 at https://www.class37.co.uk/fleet.aspx?strnumber=37035

but DaveF's photo is captioned "up" 

???!

 

4 minutes ago, 31A said:

 

I remember seeing the Ipswich-Liverpool St. & vice versa passing through Cambridge, where we knew it as the "Bury Fenman".  But it was a full length set, 8 or 9 coaches, and it didn't go through Manningtree anyway!

 

Assuming the headcode is correct, 1K11 was indeed the 0712 Ipswich-Cambridge-London Liverpool St. as Eastwestdivide has found some searches suggesting.

[DaveF]

53 minutes ago, 35A said:

 

By the turn of the 1970s, the only loco-hauled train on that axis would have been the 12:?? Harwich Parkeston Quay to Peterborough and the 16:48 return (1B13/1C15 - later in the decade they became 1B69/1C18). This was usually a six-coach formation. Monday to Fridays it would be a regular class 31/1 diagram. On a Saturday, in the early part of the decade, it varied between a class 31/0 and a class 37. Latterly it was a class 37 (sometimes a 47).

 

Following the closure of the GN/GE Joint line, the 07:17 Harwich Parkeston Quay to Manchester Piccadilly (1M72) and its 15:15 return (1E87) also ran via Peterborough, which was a class 37 diagram with a longer rake (I forget how many vehicles, now!). By the 1980s, this had become "The European", running onward to/from Glasgow Central and Edinburgh Waverley, via the West Coast main line, and was a Stratford class 47 diagram (47/0s, initially, later moving to 47/4s, once air-conditioned stock had been cascaded).

 

46 minutes ago, Dagworth said:

But very rarely actually worked by a Stratford 47. 

 

We used to go out for it most evenings and it would normally be a "foreigner", if SF locos got sent north on it they didn't come back for ages and SF liked to keep their own locos local if they could.

 

Andi

 

23 minutes ago, woodenhead said:

Bit more on the 07:17 Harwich Parkeston Quay to Manchester Piccadilly (1M72) here:

https://features.rcts.org.uk/haulage-highlights/summer-sunday-harwich-boat-train-1980-1983/harwich-boat-train-locomotives-1964-1988/

 

17 minutes ago, eastwestdivide said:

Quoting myself, a quick google for 1K11 shows mentiones of a 37-hauled 1K11 0712 Ipswich - Liverpool St via Cambridge running in 1976 and 1977 at https://www.class37.co.uk/fleet.aspx?strnumber=37035

but DaveF's photo is captioned "up" 

???!

 

The first four photos, including J4304 the 37 on the 3 coach train were all taken in the evening on a weekday.  The 37 is just about to enter Maningtree station from the north, heading south.  So it cannot be going to Harwich.  I suspect it is around 6-7p.m.

 

At the time Dad often had to spend about 3 days a week in Ipswich for work, he and I sometimes met in the area to take some photos and have dinner (at a pub/retsaurant near Bentley) before he returned to his hotel in Ipswich and I went back to Basildon.

 

Sadly I don't have any GE working timetables for the period. 

 

David

[Market65]

Good evening, David. That’s a superb set of replacement photo’s of Manningtree South Junction. In the last photo’, with a two car class 105, on a Harwich to Manningtree service, in November, 1976, it can be seen that something has happened to the destination roller blind box. Despite enlarging the photo’, I’m not sure if it’s been boarded over, or something else.

The black and white Cambridge photo’s from 1947/48, are real gems, and a bit of a mystery to me in JVol1220, with an F6, 7236, on an empty coaching stock movement, in 1948, the carriage on the right has the letters for Brake Third Corridor, BTK, but then they are followed by NLBS. I cannot think what NLBS stands for, unless it is the initials of stations of a diagrammed local working.

 

With warmest regards,

 

 Rob.