david.hill64 Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 2. Don't see why there would be a hike in ticket prices specifically linked to these, open tickets are regulated in price so can't be hiked beyond the rate that the government selects, advance tickets are all about getting bums on seats to use up spare capacity, and this fleet will increase the number of seats so that would be counterproductive... Lease charges for these are going to be at least 4 times the charge for a 225 set. IIRC lease charges are about 25% of TOC's costs so probable that unregulated fares will have to rise to cover the costs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted March 20, 2016 Share Posted March 20, 2016 And if you dramatically increase unregulated fares, largely sold to those who aren't a captive market, you will find fewer passengers, and they won't pay the bills by running empty trains. It may be a big chunk, but I think it's as arguable they will not dramatically change and they plan to cover that by dramatically increasing the number of passengers. From memory thats what happened at West Coast, and also initially at Cross Country before the increase in passengers outstripped the increase in train capacity! That would be the only scenario where I could see them heading dramatically up, when they become full. And by the time that happens HS2 will be under construction to increase capacity further... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted March 20, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 20, 2016 Wow that's a lengthy move. Whatever happened to the link from North Pole to the West London line? Was it taken out of use? Cheers, Paul I had a good look (in so far as that is possible from a passing train on the GWML) yesterday - the signals are still there on the lines direct from the servicing shed but there are some large STOP boards between them and the junction which suggest all is not usable on that side. The connection over the old Victoria Branch formation seems to have gone. All of which suggests that units for the ECML will not use North Pole unless the connections are reinstated. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Adam1701D Posted March 20, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 20, 2016 Hitachi are building a new depot at Doncaster Carr for the East Coast IEPs, plus servicing will carry on as usual at the existing depots. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium Richard E Posted March 20, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 20, 2016 Doncaster Carr has been under construction for about a year now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ramblin Rich Posted March 20, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 20, 2016 Virgin Azuma in action at Hampstead Heath https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9w9amWKhV4 Seems to take off fairly swiftly once signal clears...! 5 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Y Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 Dennis Lovett took a detour on the way down to Ally Pally on Friday and has kindly sent this picture over from the press launch. 18 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium newbryford Posted March 21, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 21, 2016 Dennis Lovett took a detour on the way down to Ally Pally on Friday and has kindly sent this picture over from the press launch. Azuma KX 18 March 2016 DAL s.jpg Starts wishlist........ Mick Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
flapland Posted March 21, 2016 Share Posted March 21, 2016 Virgin Azuma in action at Hampstead Heath https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w9w9amWKhV4 Seems to take off fairly swiftly once signal clears...! Agree, shame I didn't know until afterwards as I was on leave that day and live 5 mins from Hampstead Heath Station. It certainly moves off quickly even on 9 diesel engines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zomboid Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Externally at least it's a nice modern looking inter city train. Wonder what it'll look like in green. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JeffP Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 A caterpillar? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted March 22, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 22, 2016 Externally at least it's a nice modern looking inter city train. Wonder what it'll look like in green. Dunno about green but it seems 'someone' a few posts above might be thinking of it in yellow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ron Ron Ron Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 (edited) ......Wonder what it'll look like in green. Hitachi_SET at_Paddington_20150320_HIRES.jpg GWR_Super_Express_Train.jpg . Edited March 22, 2016 by Ron Ron Ron Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glorious NSE Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 Should be 5 diesel engines rather than 9 - effectively alternate coaches have one, so 5 on a 9 car set, and 3 on a 5 car set...(So if you're one of these folk that really can't stand underfloor diesel engines, pick your coach carefully...) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cornish trains jez Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 (edited) (So if you're one of these folk that really can't stand underfloor diesel engines, pick your coach carefully...) ....or just start a major campaign for the return of loco hauled services! Edited March 22, 2016 by cornish trains jez 3 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold Ramblin Rich Posted March 22, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 22, 2016 Just looking back at the image in Andy Y's post - the red swoop over the cab window makes it look like a VERY Angry Bird to me.... 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indomitable026 Posted March 22, 2016 Author Share Posted March 22, 2016 Just looking back at the image in Andy Y's post - the red swoop over the cab window makes it look like a VERY Angry Bird to me.... I've known some angry birds... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwissRailPassion Posted March 22, 2016 Share Posted March 22, 2016 But will it really be a zoomer? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cheesysmith Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 Must go and check what has been said about the spec of these, but my understanding is that the two driving coaches carry the pantographs and the transformers with all the intermediate coaches identical mechanically with the raised floor for the big MTU engines. So a 9 coach one could have 7 diesel engines. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
159220 Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 It could, but a 9-coach class 800/1 (and 802/1) has 5 MTU engines and two intermediate trailers (between the driving coaches). Sorry if this photo has been shown on here, it shows the two intermediate trailers with Hitachi internal framed bogies (Also, again sorry if it has been said - the Azuma livery was a 'launch' livery only - in the style of a red curtain coming off the grey train. The VTEC 800/801s / VT Azumas shall be in a different livery and not grey !!!) 2 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted March 23, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 23, 2016 Starts wishlist........ Mick Can't you just repaint a 395? (Maybe they will do a yellow "Even Newer Measurement Train" ) Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Premium melmerby Posted March 23, 2016 RMweb Premium Share Posted March 23, 2016 It could, but a 9-coach class 800/1 (and 802/1) has 5 MTU engines and two intermediate trailers (between the driving coaches). Sorry if this photo has been shown on here, it shows the two intermediate trailers with Hitachi internal framed bogies So that's 5 x 750 =3750hp? Presumably the 5 car with full fat engines will be 3 x 940 = 2820hp (and no unpowered trailers)? Keith Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
159220 Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 (edited) Well yes... (Sorry only know the Kw output not the BHP due to bi-modes being basically electric units) The 800/1 has its MTU power pack (12V 1600 R80L) down-rated to 560Kw = 2800 Whereas the 802/1 is as the PR says 'up-rated' (small print - to the original rating of the power pack!) at 700Kw = 3500 This does allow for the 'IEP' (800) to access 'contingency' power by 'up-rating' the 560Kw to 700Kw if one of the five power packs fails, leaving 4 packs providing the loss of 560Kw. Very smart design! (Does mean the 802/1 under a power pack failure, does not have any contingency power - but can achieve a higher speed under diesel mode over the 801). Same logic of power applies to the 5 coach 800s and 802s (And not the 801/0s which shall be delivered bi-mode), just minus two power packs. Does mean under a power pack failure on the 5 coach 'IEP' 800s there shall be a 50% loss in power as the up-rated contingency represents 280Kw rather than 560Kw on the 9 coach. Means the 9 coaches on a IEP 800 with power pack failure shall just continue on, though I am sure the 5 coaches under such circumstance shall too. ***** I do not know about anyone else here, but I have been lobbying Hitachi for the last 3 years to select the best model manufacturer, who shall deliver detail over compromised 'toy'. Read into that as wished, the Japanese are just about as keen modellers as us! Edited March 23, 2016 by 159220 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomag Posted March 23, 2016 Share Posted March 23, 2016 I do not know about anyone else here, but I have been lobbying Hitachi for the last 3 years to select the best model manufacturer, who shall deliver detail over compromised 'toy'. Read into that as wished, the Japanese are just about as keen modellers as us! In that case it wouls be Kato, fine as long as it's 1:148 or 1:152 and not 1:160. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
RMweb Gold The Stationmaster Posted March 23, 2016 RMweb Gold Share Posted March 23, 2016 Can't you just repaint a 395? (Maybe they will do a yellow "Even Newer Measurement Train" ) Keith They can't do that - I'm retired so I can't make any money out of the next one Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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