Planet Industrials - Kerr Stuart Victory RTR in OO...

[Captain Kernow]

Well, the rumours were proved correct and a resplendent 'Mayshill', in immaculate condition from it's overhaul at Hunslets, was worked back to 'Callow Lane' this morning on a tripper from Westerleigh Yard, marshalled immediately behind the train engine, 47506.

 

 

 

 

Keen--eyed observers will note that the nameplates were removed prior to the loco going off to Leeds. They are believed to be stored in the Foreman's office at the colliery.

 

 

 

[Captain Kernow]

In all seriousness, I am just so impressed by this model. It ran smoothly at very slow speed, straight out of the box and the finish on it is just excellent.

 

The plan for this one is to convert it to P4, probably using Sharman wheels on the usual 1/8" axles, the bearings and worm drive on the loco being reamed out to accept this.

 

 

[MPR]

7 minutes ago, Captain Kernow said:

Well, the rumours were proved correct and a resplendent 'Mayshill', in immaculate condition from it's overhaul at Hunslets, was worked back to 'Callow Lane' this morning on a tripper from Westerleigh Yard, marshalled immediately behind the train engine, 47506.

 

 

 

 

Keen--eyed observers will note that the nameplates were removed prior to the loco going off to Leeds. They are believed to be stored in the Foreman's office at the colliery.

 

 

 

It appears to have been regauged to 4'1.5" on its holiday in Leeds, with inevitably crunchy effects to ride quality as it passed through Callow Lane.

[Captain Kernow]

1 minute ago, MPR said:

It appears to have been regauged to 4'1.5" on its holiday in Leeds, with inevitably crunchy effects to ride quality as it passed through Callow Lane.

I blame ropy track at the colliery!

 

[Ruston]

35 minutes ago, Captain Kernow said:

Well, the rumours were proved correct and a resplendent 'Mayshill', in immaculate condition from it's overhaul at Hunslets, was worked back to 'Callow Lane' this morning on a tripper from Westerleigh Yard, marshalled immediately behind the train engine, 47506.

 

 

 

 

Keen--eyed observers will note that the nameplates were removed prior to the loco going off to Leeds. They are believed to be stored in the Foreman's office at the colliery.

 

 

 

Should have had the rods taken off for the journey in-train from Leeds, Cap'n. Looks like your colliery fitters will have some overtime to come.

[Paul_sterling]

What a fabulous locomotive, ours arrived today, its smooth, well finished, captures the look of Victory perfectly. We'll done guys, looking forward to future editions from you guys, as well as a lambton cab haha. 

 

Thanks. 

Paul. 

[Ruston]

Word of warning regarding decoders.

 

I ordered the sound-fitted version and so am waiting on the sound decoder but I wanted to test the model and also to get on and weather it, providing all is OK and there's no reason to reject it, so I got hold of a Bachmann dumb decoder. I plugged the decoder in, put the chassis on the rails and it made a whining sound and the short circuit lit up on the handset. This happened in reverse but it did go in forward gear. I put a piece of Kapton tape over the interface, which insulates whatever bits of decoder were touching whichever bits of interface and now it works in both forward and reverse.

I don't know what will happen with other decoders but I think it's worth putting tape on before you fit an expensive sound decoder in case you end up with a damaged decoder and not just that it won't run in one direction.

 

By the way, can James or Stephen please let me know where connections for a Stay Alive are to be made on the interface? I'm not used to Next 18 stuff at all.

[Legend]

Every time I see the green one I can’t help thinking it looks like the G&SWR tank that’s preserved at Glasgow Riverside Museuem . Is there ant connection or is it just the shade of green that keeps reminding me? 

[HExpressD]

Pictures and a bit of a review I guess to follow, but my Maroon one arrived this morning and has been run in and it is absolutely fantastic, I'm blown away. PI should be very proud

[Captain Kernow]

3 hours ago, Ruston said:

Should have had the rods taken off for the journey in-train from Leeds, Cap'n. Looks like your colliery fitters will have some overtime to come.

Quite right and that is what happened, of course, with the rods stowed safely on the footplate.

 

When the loco got to Westerleigh Yard, it was recessed there for a couple of days, allowing the fitters from the nearby colliery to come over, fit the rods back up on the loco and get it into light steam, using some coal they brought with them on their lorry and the BR water crane at the north end of the yard. Thus the loco was almost ready to run under it's own power from 'Callow Lane' yard to Frog Lane colliery.

😉😉😉

[pauliebanger]

2 hours ago, Ruston said:

Word of warning regarding decoders.

 

I ordered the sound-fitted version and so am waiting on the sound decoder but I wanted to test the model and also to get on and weather it, providing all is OK and there's no reason to reject it, so I got hold of a Bachmann dumb decoder. I plugged the decoder in, put the chassis on the rails and it made a whining sound and the short circuit lit up on the handset. This happened in reverse but it did go in forward gear. I put a piece of Kapton tape over the interface, which insulates whatever bits of decoder were touching whichever bits of interface and now it works in both forward and reverse.

I don't know what will happen with other decoders but I think it's worth putting tape on before you fit an expensive sound decoder in case you end up with a damaged decoder and not just that it won't run in one direction.

 

By the way, can James or Stephen please let me know where connections for a Stay Alive are to be made on the interface? I'm not used to Next 18 stuff at all.

 

Dave,

 

Sounds to me like the decder was not engaged correctly in the Next 18 socket. If it is not exactly 90 degrees to the fittting the decoder may a) touch the loco PCB - so an intermediary insulating layer is an excellent idea (I'd probably fit it to the decoder) or b) make poor contact with the sockect connections along one side which can cause erratic motor operation. (or both a and b)

 

When inserting the decoder you should feel a soft but obvious click when fully home.

 

 

It's some time since I had the EP model in my possession but I'm sure the pads marked V+ and GND are where you should connect the stay alive positive and negative respectively.

 

Enjoy your model, buddy.

 

Best regards,

 

Paul

[Ruston]

Cheers, Paul.

 

[NHY 581]

Big fella at Sheep Dip.....

 

[Michael Hodgson]

I'm a litle surprised to see vac pipes on this.  Surely it would be something of a nuisance to have to connect them up at a docks or an industrial site, where they would be largely used for shunting?  It might make more sense hauling heavy trains on a steeply graded colliery lines, except that most mineral wagons were unbraked.

[Roy Langridge]

2 minutes ago, Michael Hodgson said:

I'm a litle surprised to see vac pipes on this.  Surely it would be something of a nuisance to have to connect them up at a docks or an industrial site, where they would be largely used for shunting?  It might make more sense hauling heavy trains on a steeply graded colliery lines, except that most mineral wagons were unbraked.

Just because they are there, it doesn’t mean you have to connect them. Having them at least means you have train brakes when needed. 
 

Roy

[Michael Hodgson]

26 minutes ago, Roy Langridge said:

Just because they are there, it doesn’t mean you have to connect them. Having them at least means you have train brakes when needed. 
 

Roy

Indeed, but it costs to install them and keep them in working order.  Even main line railways often didn't fit them on locos that were primarily designed for haulage of loose coupled goods.  So why bother on an industrial?

[cornelius]

10 minutes ago, Michael Hodgson said:

So why bother on an industrial?

 

In the case up the thread, the customer has chosen to do so to suit their "nominally heritage railway".

 

To be clear the Victory doesn't have vac pipes out of the box.

[Gordon A]

The first industrial Beyer Garrat was fitted with vacuum pipes.

 

[Captain Kernow]

17 minutes ago, Michael Hodgson said:

Indeed, but it costs to install them and keep them in working order.  Even main line railways often didn't fit them on locos that were primarily designed for haulage of loose coupled goods.  So why bother on an industrial?

The vast, vast majority of industrial locos didn't even have vacuum braking equipment fitted. You are quite right in that most movements were made in an unfitted state, using 3-link couplings, as opposed to screw links or instanters, which is what you might expect to find with fitted goods trains on the main line.

 

[Captain Kernow]

Of course, one caveat to the above is that preserved industrials often do have them (or even air brakes) fitted now, because they have to work passenger trains on heritage lines.

 

[Captain Kernow]

Just now, Captain Kernow said:

 because they have to work passenger trains on heritage lines

And that reminds me, I well remember the large Bagnalls 'Victor' and 'Vulcan' on the West Somerset Railway. I was even a fireman on 'Vulcan' for a short time!

 

These are really purposeful beasts of locos - how about it, Planet guys? 😉

 

[cornelius]

1 minute ago, Captain Kernow said:

 

These are really purposeful beasts of locos - how about it, Planet guys? 😉

 

 

I mean, I wouldn't hate it as a project...

[NHY 581]

Ahem......cough......Maerdy Monster.....cough.....

[cctransuk]

Cornelius,

 

Any comment re the absence of a dome flange - it does look a little odd?

 

CJI.

Edited November 6, 2022 by cctransuk

[Roy Langridge]

3 hours ago, Michael Hodgson said:

Indeed, but it costs to install them and keep them in working order.  Even main line railways often didn't fit them on locos that were primarily designed for haulage of loose coupled goods.  So why bother on an industrial?

Granted, but your post that I replied to was focussed on the “nuisance to have to connect them up”, not the cost of them. 
 

Roy